I'm looking for a book/trilogy of books similar to Final Fantasy Tactics. Political intrigue, decent fantasy , and lots of world building.
From googling I could only find GoT recommendations (I want something with a more succinct story than that) and "Prince of Nothing", which i've never heard of
any recommendations?
>>7323671
start with the greeks
My diary to be honest
>>7323671
Since the central plot theme of the original game is that the world's (this game's world is mostly a fictionalized version of Renaissance-era Europe) central religion is a lie, you could just read some new atheist stuff.
Dune also comes to mind as a bildungsroman with battles, court intrigues, and suggestions of a false religion planted intentionally in order to placate the people (I've only read the original book though and they didn't develop this idea too far IIRC)
Thoughts?
>>7323636
talentless hack
Moveable*
Shit desu.
>>7323638
Why? I like this one the most.
>Dostoevsky, Fyodor. A prophet, a clap-trap journalist and a slap-dash comedian. No one takes his reactionary journalism seriously.
Do you agree with our boy Tao?
>Twitter. Good. I like to tweet. Tweeting makes me feel good, so I like it.
>>7323571
If he said that then he is the stupidest nigger to ever bear epicanthic folds
>>7323571
Nabokov said that.
http://wmjas.wikidot.com/nabokov-s-recommendations
>tfw reading more and more and not giving up
I can't wait until I become a patrician that is educated that knows philosophy and reads stuff
how about you read socrates and realize how pathetic that way of thinking is, pleb
>>7323534
ok....
Which book of his?
I have to start with the greeks tbqh
>>7323538
I think he's referring to what Socrates said to the Oracle of Delphi with the Socratic paradox
If you haven't gone through depression then you will never be a worthwhile writer
>>7323511
Depression probably hurts your writing and work ethic more than helps it
>>7323511
I have no intention of becoming a writer but I am chronically depressed and a completely useless piece of shit. I don't follow your reasoning.
>>7323536
Its one of those situations that involves a lot of greek symbols and colons
Hypothetical situation:
Humanity is dying out soon, but you can guarantee that three works of literature will survive for aliens to read. They will be able to read the two pieces of literature in the original language they were written in.
Which do you choose?
I think I would choose:
The Odyssey (Homer)
Hamlet (Shakespeare)
Ulysses (Joyce)
HAHA YEAH LETS TAKE SOME PLAYS XDD
WE DON'T NEED CONTEXT FOR ANY OF THOSE NOT LIKE WE SHOULD BRING THE BIBLE XDD WHO EVEN BELIEVES IN GO ANYWAYS I MEAN ITS 2015 STUPID CHRISTIANS
XD I WOULD TAKE OUT ULYSSES (TOO MEME FOR ME LMAO) AND PUT IN RICHARD DAWKIN'S ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES INSTEAD LOL!!
>>7323439
The Bible might be cool. My line of thinking was something like this:
All three of those works portray different facets of human nature and each of them are really beautiful.
I also think there is a variety of form--The Odyssey being poetic, Hamlet being a play, and Ulysses being a novel.
I also like the interplay of texts and cultures, as Ulysses is tangled with The Odyssey and Hamlet. This is reflective of how a lot of people write and live--interacting with cultures and writers long dead through text.
I also like how the stream-of-consciousness in Ulysses would get an alien uncomfortably close to a human in a way, haha!
Aren't you tired of creating shitty threads about surveys/games/bookshelves/“the X book you read”? Do you ever want to discuss literature or are you right just to namedrop your library and get validation by random people?
>work for tons of time on some fiction
>think it's pretty good
>read some Shakespeare and realize he wrote everything you thought but a trillion times better
who is this orgasm chasm
>>7323400
Scarlett Johansson
She's mega hot irl
>>7323394
There have been plenty of human crises Shakespeare could never have imagined in the last hundred years. You're just basic.
Memes aside, should I read Hesiod, Herodotus, and Thucydides if I only want to get into the philosophycal literature of the ancient Greeks (i.e. the Pre-Socratics, Plato, Aristotle, and the following philosophers)?
I do plan to read both Homeric epics and Hamilton's Mythology as a general background, but am not sure if Herodotus and Thucydides are that essential in order to understand Greek philosophy (perhaps Hesiod is, but I'm not really sure).
>>7323304
bumping for interest
Read The Aeneid and The Metamorphoses too
Not 100% needed, but worth reading.
Is Nietzsche the only thinker who offers a secular morality with the same depth, symbolism, aesthetics and grandeur as Christian morality?
>>7323302
His morality doesn't even come near, and isn't secular.
>>7323310
How is Nietzsche's morality not secular?
ITT autistic protagonists
Levin is a huge autist
Also, shit book desu, meaningless fiction with no substance or higher purpose, Dostoevsky runs circles around this hack.
>>7323295
I liked and disliked Anna Karenina. I agree, Levin was autistic and a frustrating character to read. I literally couldn't give a single shit about how much he likes farming or hunting.
If the book focused more on the love affair of Kitty and Levin, and more on the drama of Anna and Vronsky, I would have enjoyed it a lot more. There was too much dull scenes. I get they're supposed to show how Levin grows throughout the novel, but Levin is boring as fuck to begin with.
Still a decent book, though, I think.
>>7323249
Are there any literary works similar to picrelated, that is meaning the main character being socially isolated miserable failure, being a wimp, coward and stuff?
Notes From the Underground by Dostoevsky.
Search him on Literature Map, imma pretty sure Yukio Mishima wrote some works, similar to No longer human (though not that extremely sad)
The Day of the Locust
Ask the Dust
Too Loud a Solitude
I feel like I've read way more of this kind of book than those three but I can't recall very many right now. Also my diary desu
Any recommendations for worthwhile short story collections?
Tolstoy - Collected Shorter Fiction
>Dubliners.
>A History of the World in 10 1/2 Chapters(Yes, some call it a novel, I know. It can be labeled as short stories collection, too.)
>>7323090
Gogol, The Collected Tales.
Alternatively, just The Petersburg Tales. They're the best.
All philosophers claim that a healthy mind must reside in a healthy body, but few walk the walk. They're either scrawny DYEL's or, even worse, obese.
What are some philosophers that actually hit the weights, or at least did some (any!) kind of sport?
Ignoring that he wasn't strictly speaking a philosopher, skipped leg day and was a manlet, there's this guy. But I don't know anyone else, hell, even nietzche, who always talked about muh ubermensch was DYEL.
>>7323089
The greeks.
They're also literally the only worthwhile philosophers besides early Christian philosophy.
>>7323089
Socrates was a soldier who fought against Sparta. Even in his old age, he often was in the gymnasium exercising.
Plato was a wrestler.
Wittgenstein fought in WWI so he was surely pretty fit.
I like to think that Machiavelli was in good shape, especially after he was exiled.
Aurelius was definitely fit and saw the importance of having a healthy body.
>>7323101
>ww1
>physically fit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy1ZAMTENTI
this is the O.S.S. from WWII, literally the elite of the elite and high school athletes would fucking destroy them 1v1.
>"If your primary sexual relationship is with your hand, something is wrong."
Did he really say this?
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this nigga talks about jerkin off all the time though
When I see this thread I don't feel bad at all because my primary sexual relationship is with your mom, OP.
Okay forreal hold on, don't ban me. Is this literature? When do works go from being X to literature?
Like Romeo & Juliett obviously wasn't literature when it came out, but then eventually it did.
So
a) is this literature?
b) more generally, when does a work become literature?
inb4 massive shitstorm and we get banned. Please keep it together /lit/
>>7322981
It's /lit/ until you invade Poland, then it's /pol/.
>>7322981
You should ask when does a piece become art, and use the example of somebody's random stick figure sketch compared to the mona lisa.
The safest/least exciting answer is that it's a social consensus on what we recognise as artistic.
>>7323086
Well yeah that's the question but it's really hard to say.