Why must every bit of experimental or serious prose in this book be followed by some goofy, retarded drinking song or a passage about Slothrop doing something silly and dull?
I've gotta give Thommy Pinecone credit, though. Despite being periodically bored out of my fucking mind, about 400 pages in, I still won't stop reading because I'm curious what ridiculous or idiosyncratic shit might be in the next sudden passage, but it's still like I'm sifting through shit soup to get a few gold nuggets.Also, it has to say something about a work when the most viscerally exciting part, almost halfway in, is about literally eating shit.
>>7337675
A) so it's just 2deep4u schlock and B) because the subversion of low and high culture is a huge part of the book. What better way to do it than follow a passage on determinism with a dick joke?
>>7337710
*not
>>7337675
>Why
To bum out the squares
Any good bookstores in melbourne?
Preferably second hand with philosophical and ideological topics
just go to abebooks.com
>Alice's Books
In Rathdowne Street. A really good philosophy section, last time I was there they had an old copy of Being and Time in the original German, The Ego and Its Own, and a bunch of other stuff. There's also a lot of old leather bound type stuff and a fairly big foreign language section. There's heaps of subsections and a big range basically
>Red Wheelbarrow
In Brunswick. Pretty small, but has a decent philosophy section - nothing too out of the ordinary, though
>Collected Works
In the Nicholas Building above Retro Star. It's got the most interesting range. Lots of philosophy, critical theory, weird stuff you've never heard of, etc. Also lots of good lit from Africa iirc
>City Basement Books
Near Flinders Street Station. Bad philosophy section, but a pretty big fiction section with lots of nice old penguin paperbacks and that kind of thing
>>7337660
>good lit from Africa
/lit/, please recommend some books to improve conversational, debating and persuasion skills. What else is there aside from Aristotle's Rhetoric and Machiavelli?I already know about 48 Laws of Power and How to Win Friends and Influence People; the latter is terrible.
>>7337538
Just B Urself by A. Normie
>>7337542
this is the best book out there OP
you have to get it
>phil major
>become good at keeping the argument on topic when arguing with other men
>become completely lost arguing with women, baffled by their structureless diatribe
>don't know where to begin with refuting their non-point
>mfw they think they won because they didn't raise a point to be properly refuted
What's the literary equivalent of the Artist's Shit?
Ubi Roi - Jarry
Ulysses is the fountain.
Finnegans Wake is the shit.
>>7337421
That's a little harsh.
Let's tone it down a bit.
Ulysees is the pastry shell.
Finnegans Wake is the poop creme filling.
Is there any literature delving into feelings of horrible guilt?
Or dealing with it in ways that aren't suicide? I don't know what to do so maybe fiction will help me.
>>7337216
Start with the Greeks.
>>7337216
I'd say kokoro by natsume soseki, but honestly that would probably make you more likely to off yourself.
>>7337216
The Picture of Dorian Gray.
After reading Infinite Jest, Oblivion and The Pale King does he have much else to say that I won't have heard before in his other work?
>>7337157
Just ask him.
>>7337157
I really like his essay about the cruise.
David 'Career Move' Wallace had 0 things to say. Prove otherwise, please.
Why is notes from underground narrator/protagonist such a coward, blaming others, living contradiction and victimizing himself every chance he gets?
but he was right about everything
>>7337016
But he's so miserable.. I pitied him so much... Why is he like that? He couldn't accept his reality? It bugs me so much especially because my brother is exactly like him
Just finished pic related
It wasnt very good...
Congratulations! You're a boy.
NorWood is Murakami's single most overrated work
>>7336820
why is this shit so fucking praised? Its because of the forced sex scenes? Midoris cliche personality? The constant references to popular culture? Pls someone explain
/lit/ i want to read some classic fairytales, but i want the real deal not a disney-modern day friendly version of them, what are some editions of compilations that are the real thing? the ones that i find are dumbed down or censored.
Pic not related.
le wrong generation xd
Classic Fairy Tales by Maria Tatar ISBN: 9780393972771
The Bloody Chamber by Carter is good
Considering that world building is necessary to tell a good story (Tolkien invented languages!) is it possible to do too much world building?
>>7336755
No to your assertion and yes to your question. Move along.
>>7336761
What? How can a story not be helped by taking place in a fleshed-out world?
>>7336755
>world building is necessary to tell a good story
Wrong.
>world building
The most important thing a writer must build is an engaging story or at least an interesting character or two. At best, the author wants to communicate an important message to the reader.
And since the world is already built for you, you have only to research it.
–Oh, you wanted to make cheap Tolkien knock-offs. Fuck off.
Not the same as favorite novelists or storytellers, but authors you'd read just for the enjoyment of their writing.
Four of my favorites: George Eliot, Joseph Conrad, Thomas Wolfe, Salinger
>>7336754
Salinger's prose is probably his most obvious failing
>>7336754
Conrad is one of those guys that's too elusively unique to even imitate.
>>7337076
>Conrad
>unique
my sides, this is almost as cringeworthy as the ending to Heart of Darkness
How do people over the age of 14 enjoy this book? I thought I would reread it, and the imbuing of ideology is so lazy and transparent, I want to put it down forever
I love Orwell but that book is shit. Let's pretend he never wrote fiction.
>>7336759
I remember 1984 being better, but i'm scared to reread that also.
>>7336764
I lied, a little. 1984 is better as an adult.
The generation raised on Spongebob will soon begin producing great work. What does this mean?
Will references to the cartoon be equivalent to Homeric allusions? Is Plankton the new Menelaus?
Fuck yourself
>>7336560
No. Sponge bob is garbage for stoners and children.
>>>/reddit/
After really only reading the Stoics and Plato for philosophy, what can I expect from reading Nietzsche?
An interesting but weird fellow with a lot of original thoughts.
You'll most likely either love him or hate him.
You should at least read a quick "history of philosophy" type of book before tackling him, with Stoics and Plato there's A LOT of stuff that's gonna fly over your head.
>>7336468
I'm still going to try to tackle Nietzsche, but can you recommend me a good "history of philosophy" book?
writing a poem for school poetry slam any advice /lit/
just rant indignantly about the white man
>>7336393
have actually thought about it but seems like everyone else will be doing that
read some Agalloch lyrics then just shit something out in the same style