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>Psychogeography is an approach to geography that emphasizes playfulness and "drifting" around urban environments. It has links to the Situationist International. Psychogeography was defined in 1955 by Guy Debord as "the study of the precise laws and specific effects of the geographical environment, consciously organized or not, on the emotions and behavior of individuals."[1] Another definition is "a whole toy box full of playful, inventive strategies for exploring cities... just about anything that takes pedestrians off their predictable paths and jolts them into a new awareness of the urban landscape."[2]

>In psychogeography, a dérive (French: [/de.ʁiv/], "drift") is an unplanned journey through a landscape, usually urban, on which the subtle aesthetic contours of the surrounding architecture and geography subconsciously direct the travellers, with the ultimate goal of encountering an entirely new and authentic experience. Situationist theorist Guy Debord defines the dérive as "a mode of experimental behavior linked to the conditions of urban society: a technique of rapid passage through varied ambiances."

>Dérives are necessary, according to situationist theory, because of the increasingly predictable and monotonous experience of everyday life in advanced capitalism.[2] The dérive grants a rare instance of pure chance, an opportunity for an utterly new and authentic experience of the different atmospheres and feelings generated by the urban landscape.[2]


do any of you go for dérives? what are your experiences with them?
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tl;dr: do you guys ever take walks
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>>7463464
well do you?
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>>7463454
>increasingly predictable and monotonous experience of everyday life in advanced capitalism

As opposed to?

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the book is called life
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>>7463291
Stop this meme right there
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>>7463243
She's so cute I want to stuff my fingers and thumb into her cooze and o-ring and carry her around like a bowling ball.

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What is the most complex and well developed character you have ever read?
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Don Quijote in some ways
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>>7461758
maybe you relate to his autism but quixote is a flat character, which is why he's supposed to be funny
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Gonna be an absolute faggot here and say either Will Graham or Hannibal Lecter

Why haven't you read Yang Zhu (aka Yung Chu) aka The Spookbuster of the East?

>Life is full of suffering, and its chief purpose is pleasure. There is no god and no after-life; men are the helpless puppets of the blind natural forces that made them, and that gave them their unchosen ancestry and their inalienable character. The wise man will accept this fate without complaint, but will not be fooled by all the nonsense of Confucius and Mozi about inherent virtue, universal love, and a good name: morality is a deception practised upon the simple by the clever; universal love, and a good name: morality is a deception practised upon the simple by the clever; universal love is the delusion of children, who do not know the universal enmity that forms the law of life; and a good name is a posthumous bauble which the fools who paid so dearly for it cannot enjoy. In life the good suffer like the bad, and the wicked seem to enjoy themselves more keenly than the good
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>>7461554
Because afaik no works written by him (or even his followers) actually survive.

Must admit, though, assuming Mencius isn't just making shit up the 'would not pluck a hair to save the world' thing is stone cold.
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>>7461554
be narcissistic without being egotistic
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>One hundred years is the limit of a long life. Not one in a thousand ever attains it. Suppose there is one such person. Infancy and feeble old age take almost half of his time. Rest during sleep at night and what is wasted during the waking hours in the daytime take almost half of that. Pain and sickness, sorrow and suffering, death (of relatives) and worry and fear take almost half of the rest. In the ten and some years that is left, I reckon, there is not one moment in which we can be happy, at ease without worry. This being the case, what is life for? What pleasure is there? For beauty and abundance, that is all. For music and sex, that is all. But the desire for beauty and abundance cannot always be satisfied, and music and sex cannot always be enjoyed. Besides, we are prohibited by punishment and exhorted by rewards, pushed by fame and checked by law. We busily strive for the empty praise which is only temporary, and seek extra glory that would come after death. Being alone oursselves, we pay great care to what our ears hear and what our eyes see, and are much concerned with what is right or wrong for our bodies and minds. Thus we lose the great happiness of the present and cannot give ourselves free rein for a single moment. What is the difference between that and many chains and double prisons? (7, tr. Chan 1963:310)

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Hello my well read anons, how can one become more intelligent /lit/?
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>>7459697
meditate
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>>7459697
Grow up in a creatively supportive environment.
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smoke weed

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https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/3wpikx/best_books_youve_read_during_2015/

This is /r/books laughable list of favorite books read during 2015.

So, what laughable list of favorite books has /lit/ read in 2015?

I'll start.

2666

Underworld

That's all I've read.
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>reads meme shit
>calls others laughable
laughable
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>I agree on Kafka on the Shore, definitely a book I am going to need to read one or two more times to get. Still a great a book though.
I've never been on this site and don't think I plan on ever going on it again
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>>7459270
>willingly comes into a thread he doesn't want to be part of

>ad hominem

laughable

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How's your novel coming along?

Are you happy with your results so far?

How long did it take you until now?

How long do you need to go on?
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>>7459122
There's nothing wrong with white-out.
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>>7459184
If you ain't white, you ain't right.
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>>7459122
It's challenging. First draft has potential, but it isn't done yet.

Hey guise, I´m going read the greeks, going for the oxford plato and aristotle complete works, pic related is the plato book.
I was wondering since I am rather new if you think I should read any other books first, perhaps the first philosophers: pre socratic book or something else.
Also if you have any thoughts on the versions of the book or translators they are welcomed.
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If you're planning on going through Plato then I'd definitely advise you to read the Pre-Socratics. He uses and refers to their ideas quite a bit.


If you're new to philosophy in general then I'd recommend The Story of Philosophy - Bryan Maggee.

Read the Iliad and Odyssey as well, they're not philosophical treatises, but they're referenced often. Try Fitzgerald or Lattimore.
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I'm doing the same thing, following the /lit/ flowchart: >>7451366

From what I've gathered you really should start at the top, with some basic mythology and then the Iliad and Odyssey, followed by The First Philosophers - it helps out a tonne in understanding Platon and Aristotle.
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>>7451429
Read the Tragedies as well, especially for Aristotle's Poetics

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ITT: Books that make you feel almost every emotion.
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What was your favorite part, OP? Mine was when Harrogate poisoned the bats.
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>>7451116
Damn, there are so many. I loved that I could never guess what the hell was going to happen next. That part was great though. All the Harrogate parts made me laugh out loud. Mine is probably when Suttree just packs up and lives out in the wild after the event with the mussels family
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>>7451140

That part shit me to be honest. What fucked me up was the part where Harrogate was going to prison and catching flashes of himself in the windows of the bus.

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So, I got bored and started writing. I know it is probably shit to all you writing fanatics, but just want some honest feedback on what I've got so far. It's written in a diary, journal sort of context if anyone gets confused so it's like the person is talking to the reader. Thanks heaps for the help.

There go another handful of these white capsules, right down my swollen oesophagus and soon into my bloodstream. I could feel the effect of the pills growing weary with each swallow, my body slowly immunising itself to its strength. The only thing I had to relieve me of my agonizing pain was the chemicals running through my numbed veins. These drugs in front of me were the only thing separating me from being nothing but one of her past fatalities. I know I have to stop. This repetitive consumption of these pills will leave me with a sack of brittle bones and blood, a poor excuse of a body, and this exact prediction will prove she has defeated me. I just can’t let that happen… I can’t let her feel that sick satisfaction of seeing me suffer again. That bitch, that whore… she’s ruined me. She’s turned me into a person I never wanted to become, but now when I look at myself in that stained mirror, that is all I see – a drug-abusing creature with addictive tendencies and a future as dark as space itself - how wonderful. I feel like smashing this damned mirror into a million pieces, and then letting my body shatter along with it. I want my reflection to disintegrate into the atmosphere plus take my decaying soul with it. Damn, why do I keep thinking like that? Why do I keep letting her image spoil me? Actually, why the fuck did I fall in love with a fiend? A fucking monster is what she is. Whoever reads this must be really confused by now, maybe I should just explain how this all began.

Let me describe to you how I fell in love with the devil that devoured my soul.
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cont.
It all started on October 31st, Halloween, All Hallows Eve, Lucifer’s birthday, whatever you want to call it. This eventful day that should be celebrated with mysterious witchcraft and candy was instead the day where my life changed for the worst. However, in that space of time it felt as though I was going to live the life that I had always envisioned myself in. Damn, I was so wrong. Anyways, I’ll get on with it. I remember clearly the small children with white, painted faces filling the walkways, running from door to door, their bags continuously enlarging with sugars with each travel. The ring of children’s voices occupied the air, the harmonious tones of multiple “trick or treats” coming from their eager mouths. Pale skulls, thin cobwebs and maliciously carved pumpkins were seen in front of each and every home, inviting the lonely ghosts and ghouls that roam the world into the warm homes of millions. This was my absolute favourite day of all three hundred and sixty five, but now I can say it’s my most hated. I dread this day from the day she broke me in half because the only thing that crosses my mind is her name. That really drives me crazy. So. Fucking. Crazy. Anyways, where was I… ah her, yes her.

The first time I saw her was on the bright streets of New York, sitting calmly on a park bench. Her beautifully constructed face was the first thing I was drawn to, as though it was moulded specifically by the hand of a God. That definite structure of her cheekbones, nose, brow bone, jaw, everything… it just mesmerised me. The next thing my sight was dragged to was under her chin. She wore a black, bellowing dress, tightened perfectly at her slender waist which highlighted her slender figure that I worshipped. Her thin arms were rested on her lap as her bare, frail legs crossed each other. Her dark hair just brushed against her pointed collar bones, while her straight cut bangs just covered her eyebrows. Below those eyebrows were her solemn hypnotic. I will forever remember those piercing, sapphire eyes. Those eyes that saw right through me and even further. Her pale, snow-kissed skin contrasted against her defiant makeup. A brilliant vermillion smeared on her sweet, plump lips accompanied with smoky eyeshadow. Just her appearance was truly one of her weapons.
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Very good anon, story needs more structure, and you need to more describe the internal and external landscape of the protagonist. Solid 7/10.
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man you are one pussy-whipped faggot

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What are some essential philosophy books? It doesn't matter what timeframe
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>>7465298
>It doesn't matter what timeframe
not true. the "timeframe," as you so inelegantly put it, matters a great deal. indeed, it all depends on just where you begin. that is to say, with whom you begin.
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>>7465308
all the major ones
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>>7465298
>tfw no trebuchet
I did not even know I wanted this

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>On the mood to read something with a nice, immersive story
>Decide to read this
>Call me Ishmael
>Describes every man as a horny gay guy
>Every other chapter stops to talk about some useless nonsense

Story is pretty enjoyable, though. But fuck, I'm on page 200 and I suspect I've only really read about 100.
Does it ever stop?
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>>Describes every man as a horny gay guy

>projecting off the charts
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>>7465173
I wish, man. I don't care if the protagonist is gay or not, but for fucks sake.
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>>7465170
>>Describes every man as a horny gay guy

that's just male friendship, admiration and bonding, nothing gay about that.

>>Every other chapter stops to talk about some useless nonsense

Those useless chapters usually have some sort of philosophical nugget in them or practical info that helps the story out later on.

Finish it. The ending is amazing and redeems much of the "boring" parts.

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Why do people get triggered by black people playing white parts in Shakespearean plays? The plays have been performed over hundreds of years in a ton of interpretations, including changing the setting to latter times. If all variety is strictly forbidden, then do the plays have to be performed with same proper accent as well? they generally aren't.

I saw the film "Titus" and it was far different from how Titus Andronicus would look in Shakespeare's time, but it was probably one of the best stagings of it ever done.
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I recently got into a heated argument because I mentioned that people thought it would be cool if Idris Elba played James Bond. His argument was "It was written in the past and it's about an english gentleman! He should be white!" when I pointed out that doesn't necessarily mean anything, especially now, he just kept repeating that "it was written at that time". His girlfriend intervened, so we stopped arguing, but I wonder what he would have said if I had pointed out that James Bond has always been a modern character and his new films take place now.

It's stupid. Unless the ethnicity directly effects the plot, then there's no reason. (Although I do think that people should be the right ethnicity in biographies.)
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>Why do people get triggered by black people playing white parts in Shakespearean plays?
Because its only ever blacks. If theatres/studios ever actually cared about positive racial representation they'd include actors of all races and not just the stereotypical black man replacing a white man and the asian women replacing the white women? I'm probably biased in being an asian male, but it does offend me when we are essentially ignored in 99% of all media. In my opinion, including black actors in theatre/film is just fetishization of the stereotypes of african american culture especially when you consider just how disproportionate the actual statistics are. Why can't an asian man play hamlet? Othello? Prospero?
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>>7464996
maybe there aren't any asian male actors? I don't think studios have a limitless supply of actors that can play a particular role and still be good at it, especially in theatre.
Theatre people aren't racist.

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Imagine a life where you have never had to excel at anything. You have never desired success or felt admiration for someone great. There has been no desire to surpass the great, nothing beyond mere existence.

You are bored as per usual, posting about how you look and never deriving any happiness from these posts. All you do is feed your need to denigrate your equals and superiors. The past year has been dull and mundane, spending your time reading about people's lives, people you have never met. You sit there, developing a smell, posture and outlook.

Then you see the exoteric man, exerting his will. Something you have yet to experience. Externality is no issue, he does not see a conflict between desire and reality. They witness the desired, think upon the desirable and attain that which they desire. The bitterness, detatchement and irony is entirely absent, as they congratulat each others prowess and success. They feel the moment with such passion and sincerity.

You reflect again, you realise that which is absent. You will never acheive such externality.

So you get up and leave, their inviting eyes remain unoticed. They shrug their shoulders and forget you, they have eradicated you whilst you fantasise about a scenario in which you wittily dismiss such contentment. That is happiness for you.
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>>7464535
>Imagine
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>exertion of will is inherently virtuous and therefore desirable

Oh, you poor guy. It must be hard being you.
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>>7464535
I do not think I have felt actual ambition in my life. To me I am just a thing that happens. My friend is deeply saddened by this, she considers me talented. She is somewhat talented herself, albeit not terribly, but moreso ambitious. I think we compliment each other. She envies me for my potential, I envy her for her will.

But wait, how in the name of fuck is this literature?

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Im tripping on DXM and weed edibles tonight to get the creative juices flowing for the novel I am writing. It's a Post Apocalyptic Sci-Fi Western with Fantasy elements. It's gonna have everything. Anyway, I want to develop my anti-hero some more and thought the best way to do it was to have people ask questions about him and answer them as a character; someone who has run in to him.

Basics:
>It is the year 2218
>The majority of the world was devastated by nuclear fire 196 years ago.
>There are three main bastions of civilisation and technology in North America: Las Vegas, Philadelphia and Graham Island off the coast of British Columbia.
>The cities survived the bombs because they were prepared decades before there was even threat of nuclear war.
>the people that live in the cities are all Post-Humans.
>The minds of the rich and powerful uploaded in to synthetic bodies that are indistinguishable from real ones; perfect and immortal
>Scattered across the wasteland live the descendants of those who survived by other means.
>Extreme 1%/99% dynamic. Think, eugenics mixed with Rapture from BioShock.
>Focus is on Las Vegas and the surrounding deserts (Mostly the Mojave)
>There is a legend in the wasteland of an enigmatic man who wanders the Mojave Desert.
>The Black Man (not THAT kind of black)
>He is know for his blood-lust, persistence and ability to kill anyone/thing in his way with his gun or by "other means".
>He does not sleep, rarely eats but has an affinity for clean, cold water.
>He works for the people in the cities (Las Vegas) but is not one of them (Synthetic body with an uploaded conciousness) but still preforms feats that no ordinary man can accomplish.
>The Black Man goes out of his way to be in the background. If you see him, its because he.s there to kill you. Otherwise, you dont even know he's there.
>The number of people who have met him in the wastes and walked away alive is pathetically low.
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"Heard you been askin' 'bout the Black Man stranger. You won’t get anything outta' the folks around here. Dumb, superstitious lot they are. Meet me at the fire pit in the centre of town in a few. The sun’s gone down so we can talk alone. Oh, and don’t bother showing without some fucking whisky. I've had enough of the shit-water that passes for drink in this crap-heap.
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>>7464155
#cringe zone
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>>7464163
why? Does the imagination of others make you uncomfortable?

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