Do you buy your books? or do you go to the Library?
>>7465232
I buy.
>>7465232
I write them.
I buy. Once had an bedbug infestation after reading some books from the local library. Never again.
We all know to start with the Greeks. Well, I finished the Greeks (or at least as much of the Greeks as I care to read: much of Plato and Aristotle, Homer, Hesiod, Sophocles, Aeschylus, Euripides, Herodotus, Thucydides, various Pre-Socratics and Sophists, I'm done with the Greeks for now).
Does anyone have a good guide for getting into Roman literature? I'd like to keep up this momentum by getting into the Romans. Obviously I know the big shit (Vergil, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, etc.), but outside of that I don't know much about Roman literature/philosophy/history. Something like pic related, with a rough ordering, recommended translations, and a brief description would be ideal. But anything would be welcome really, I just want to start reading some Roman literature.
You are just now starting to scratch the surface of the Greeks. If you want to be able to understand the Romans, you are going to need to continue with the Greeks for a bit longer.
Don't be so reliant on charts and the likes, do your own research into Roman literature and you can devise your own reading plan with ease.
Pick a narrative history of Rome
Pick some poetry that you want to read
Pick a philosophical work that you want to read
Pick a play
Pick a history
Or just research a bit and read what interests you; not everything has to be ordered
>>7465182
Here's an example (My Roman Plan so far, I'm not choosing everything at once, I'll add more as my Roman interests grow; there's no point in buying every Stoic work if I find I have no interest in Stoicism for example):
History of Ancient Rome - Simon Merchant(?)
The Aeneid - Virgil (Fitzgerald Translation)
The Metamorphoses - Ovid (Mandelbaum Translation)
The Histories - Polybius (Waterfield(?) Translation)
Commentaries on the Gallic War - Julius Caesar
Parallel Lives - Plutarch (Dryden Translation)
>"Women are considered deep – why? Because one can never discover any bottom to them. Women are not even shallow."
What did he mean by this?
No guiding principles maybe? It may be a play upon the notion of infinite regression. I don't know shit though tbqhwy family.
he has a tiny dick
>>7464404
An abyss is considered deep though there is nothing within it.
Give me someone who can BTFO based neechee
Pro tip:You can't
>>7463217
God
>>7463217
Syphilis.
bertrand russell
Who /NYC/ here? I know a bunch of you pretensious faggos are NYU/muh brooklyn/mommy money insuffilites with muh Lena Eatsham/muh Sincerity, show yourselves.
ITT: Not a meetup thread, but share best bookstores, comfy spots, readings, feels ect.
>implying I won't go to S&Co anyway
This is now a meetup thread. Who wants to awkwardly drink coffee and talk about Tao Lin?
>>7462516
Bookstores: Strand for second-hand browsing. Book Culture for their academic remainders. But honestly, the best book purchasing these days is used through abe and amazon (it pains me to say).
Places to read: Central Park (not giving away my secret spaces though). Butler Library and Avery Library at Columbia. Brooklyn main library isn't bad. For cafe spots, I like Whole Foods on Houston because you can sit for a long time and not be hassled. Also there are plenty of bars with happy hours in the East Village and West Village where you can sit for an hour or two over a $3 pint.
>>7462532
OP here, fuck u m8, I don't want to meet any sperglords and y-you too my way through memes and autism just to get a post-modern take on my current book.
>>7462672
>amazon
Besides that, reading in Central Park is the bee's knees. I'm on the East side, and North Central Park is always the perfect mix of tranquilly empty and comfy.
I've got a list of quality bookstores in my area, but it's hard to find anything that isn't Oprah-tier and order-from Amazon services [Cut out the middleman at that point].
>Whole Foods
nah man, reading at a local 24/7 dinner is where it's at.
Pic related, as it's both a French/English bookstore put on by the French Embassy, and has the comfiest second floor reading room to sneak your own reads in. 10/10
What's the purpose of writing poems in 2015?
I think this is just ridiculous.
>>7461098
Memes? Memes.
It's a completely dead medium.
Like literature desu, but if you say you read oboks then peole give you respect. If you say you read / wrtie poetry, they automatically see you as trainspotter tier. I wonder if literature will soon be seen that way
>>7461098
What do you think "the purpose" was a hundred years ago? What was three thousand years ago?
Pls respond.
hi /lit/ I have to read heart of darkness for school and I was struggling with it so much I found this modern version, just wondering If this is still patrician? thanks
>>7469656
I thought they only did this for Shakespeare.
what the fuck the prose is outstanding in heart of darkness. this is a sad bastardization
>>7469656
Hideous.
Does anyone else honestly feel that HP is better than most modern fantasy?
JKR has really interesting plotting and moral ambiguity as the series progresses, re-reading them is a whole new experience when you know how the main characters were manipulated in Dumbledore's chessmaster game.
The writing is underrated imo
>>7469516
It's vastly more enjoyable than the trend of over-serious "muh complex systems" fantasy that everyone masturbates over
It's whimsical but manages to have subtle plots behind the surface
fite me m8
so I'm writing a paper on the history of Pedophilia and the rise of pro-pedophilia discourse since the 1980's. I already shed some light on Foucault's History of Sexuality, Abnormal lectures, and also want to insert Butler's queer theory. But I don't know. I seem kinda stuck whether we need to consider pedophilia a mental illness or a sexual desire, what society's stance needs to be towards pedophiles and such and so forth.
Can anyone tell me some good academic works on the discourse of pedophilia or some additional literature?
Try using facts and evidence instead of pseudo-intellectual posturing.
>>7469276
Foucault and Butler pseudo-intellectual? Cause you have so much more to say on the topics?
>>7469284
I'm not the one who makes baseless claims and merely postures over sophistry.
They say you should write everyday, even if you don't feel like it.
Do you senpais write everyday?
I definitely didn't feel like it today, so just started typing one word after the other.
I felt it was going to be a shit session though, so didn't work on my novel. Just started typing up the following. I hope you enjoy it /lit.
1/2
“I need your help.”
I'm not entirely sure who I'm talking to. No living, breathing, human being. I'm in a cemetery. It's some time past midnight. I was frustrated and didn't know where to turn. I had no friends close enough to help me. I've always felt bad asking family for help. But I needed help. I was drawn to the cemetery.
“Please. Help me.”
Am I asking God? Or the spirits of those buried here? Am I asking demons? Or angels? I don't believe in any of those things. But I stopped here because it felt like a magical place. Burying our dead. Ritual. Tradition. Superstition. What I need help with is vague. I can't pinpoint the exact problem, or problems, I'm having. It just feels big. All encompassing, but not clear. Fog.
“Will you help me?”
No one, nothing, answers. It is quiet here. It is cold. That big magical desperate feeling begins to fade, and more grounded, and immediate, concerns come to mind. What if there's a night watchman patrolling here? And what if he sees some crazy guy talking to himself in the middle of a cemetery at midnight, long after he's locked the gates? How conspicuous is my motorcycle in front of the locked gate? Would people passing by notice? Would they call the police? Maybe they'd think it was the night watchman's motorcycle. If there is a night watchman. If there is, I wonder where he parks?
“What do you need help with?”
That wasn't my voice. I freeze up. I should run. I should run as fast as I can to the front gate, jump over, and ride out of here before he even has a chance to unlock the gates to come after me. He'd see my plates. Unless I was really fast. If my bike would even start up right away. No. I'll have to talk my way out of this. Tell him I was visiting a relative's grave? This isn't good. I turn towards the voice. It's not a watchman.
“You came here for help,” the corpse says, “so tell me how I can help.”
He doesn't look well. Not even for a corpse. I don't know if the mortician just ignored any cleaning up, or if that type of open casket grooming just wears off after awhile in the dirt, but he looked horrible. He stands a little under six feet tall. He's wearing stained blue pants, and a stained denim long sleeved shirt. The stains seem to be equal parts blood and dirt. They still look cleaner than his face. His skin looks like yellow tanned leather. It's tight over the top of his bald head, and wrinkles around his mouth, nose and eyes. The yellowish color is broken up with a bruised black color around the eyes and mouth, and this color is splotched around other areas of his head and face. The blood in his teeth look fresh.
“I have to go. Please. I'm just going to leave. There might be a watchman.” My voice was steady. But I was scared.
“I'll help you. I've helped you already. With the night watchman.” He opens his mouth wide, like a strange exaggerated smile. There are strips of meat in his teeth.
>>7468676
2/2
I wake up on my bed. I don't remember getting into bed. I don't remember what happened after I saw the corpse. Did I see a corpse? Was I at the cemetery? It feels too real. The dirt on my boots give evidence to this feeling. I'm wearing the same clothes that I left in. Was the corpse a dream, or a hallucination? Part of some blackout that eventually led me here? Maybe it was some guy fucking with me. I'll find myself on some prankster's YouTube video. What time is it? Fuck.
Seven forty two in the morning. I'm supposed to be at work at eight. I can try to work out what happened last night later. I'm still wearing my black Dickies work pants from yesterday's shift. I don't even bother with my lower half; pants, boxers, socks, and boots all stay on. I throw off my hooded sweatshirt, and shirt, spray some deodorant under each arm, and put on my barista shirt. I don't even bother to brush my teeth. I'd almost feel bad about my lack of hygiene while working in the food industry. Except I hate the customers, hate my boss, and hate myself. I'll brush my teeth later.
My keys are still in my pocket. I grab my barista cap, and head out the bedroom, into the living room, and see my door wide open. I didn't even close the door when I got home? I look around to see if any of my scumbag neighbors happened to enter and steal any of my shit. Not that I have a lot of shit. My five year old laptop is still on my desk. I look around for a bit before I realize there really isn't anything to steal in my apartment. A few plates and forks, some old paperbacks, vitamins, and a couch. I walk out, and make sure to lock the door. There is dirt on the doorknob. I leave.
What do you think fellas? That's almost 900 words!
I'm looking for philosophic literature that ponders Solipsism, the fact you can only know your mind is real, and nothing else.
descartes, from a very reductionist reading.
the mind's i for accessible philosophy of mind.
not many people write about solipsism specifically because it's an useless thought experiment but a lot of stuff in what i mentioned is relevant.
>>7468525
I'll check it out.
Who are some philosophers who write on the topic of psychedelia, but not on a spiritual level? Who wrote about the failure of man? I'm looking for thing written by intelligent men who saw the "darkness" (the tragedy of life) and were consumed by madness or saw through it and rose above.
Not trying to be edgy, I'm just interested in the pits of man.
>>7468550
>Who wrote about the failure of man
camus nietzsche and emil cioran
>Who are some philosophers who write on the topic of psychedelia
no one relevant afaik
What's the best love poem you got
>>7468507
i love u cuz i love ur boobies :3
so love me cuz i love u <3
>>7468508
hey reddit
bye reddit
>>7468509
no no no
give me ur dildo
stick in my ass
ur love in me
my love shoots like peepee ^_^
ITT: Absurdist writers better than Camus. I'll start with the obvious, someone who never gets mentioned around here and i can't figure out why.
>>7468361
Beckett gets mentioned here a fair amount.
it's never mentioned because /lit/ is full of idiots who read the most popular work and think they understand the author, so everyone just kind of shrugs of Godot without understanding it and pretend they know beckett.
desu beckett is pretty similar to joyce, if less lyrical. the trilogy is amazing. compagnie is great. most of his plays are good.
even his short stories are really good. everyone should first love as their first beckett.
>thread literally yesterday
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S7461113
You guys weren't kidding.
dazai isn't that good desu
like this board is any less of a meme fest
You guys weren't kidding.
This book is fucking awful.
I should have listened to you guys earlier.
It's teen fiction / Harry Potter rip off. What did you expect?
I thought it was an enjoyable easy read. I'm incredibly busy at work recently preparing texts for students to analyze, so having something mindless like this was fun.
>>7468254
It's definitely garbage. Calling it a Harry potter rip-off can't be right.