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You know what I didn't like about this novel? They made Lot's wife out to be a good character, unjustly punished.
This is the reason for sjws (oh, don't forget your brethren) and suggests that compassion is so beautiful--and now lefties are ascribing that attribute to Jesus and think that acting with this attitude is the highest virtue when it 1. is fucking annoying and 2. holds them back from personal advancement.
If we followed his ideology, we'd all be throwing shit at each other.
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You have a coherent argument against sjws, but you do not have a coherent argument against lot's wife. How the hell is turning around in what was most likely meant to be seen as an attempt to help sodom and gomorrah "annoying?" Are you saying that compassion is objectively bad? Because I'd have to disagree there.
Tbh you sound like you're very angry at the type of people who enjoy vonnegut and are unable to put that aside and actually read his work.
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>>7571029
oh god u read vonnegut
may I recommend Dr.Seuss and perhaps Mary Pope Osborne?
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Which is the best order to read Nietszche in? Should I even bother at all?
I can choose between The Anti Christ, Ecce Homo, Twilight Of The Idols, Nietszche contra Wagner, Hammer of the Gods, Human, all too human and Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
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the anti-christ goes ham
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>>7570745
start with the greeks
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more importantly what would one read prior to one reading nietzsche to fully appreciate the work one nietzsche performed prior to ones existence
mustache pls answr
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Alright lit/tards, I need your help with critiquing an idea of mine. Everyone I've asked tells me this idea is fine, but I need an outside opinion to help me flesh it out. And I know all too well that 4chan is the best place for honest opinions.
Okay, so I've been working on a horror novel for the past two years that is somewhat of a retelling of Frankenstein. I am just now getting to the second draft of the novel, and I want to work out a few details with the story.
In essence, the story follows a woman who was brutally raped by her older brother, causing her to be given an incestuous rape pregnancy. She obviously terminates it because no one wants a rape baby. Guilted by this decision, she shuts herself away from the world for many years, which drastically affects her sanity. She begins having strange dreams of horrible creatures. Years later, her mental wounds have healed, and she decides to have a child, only to find out that the abortion tore her insides up. Unable to have a child, her sanity once more takes a beating. At that moment, in her dreams, she is told by the horrible creatures of one singular way to conceive a child. She must follow in the footsteps of Frankenstein, and make new life. Guided by the dream monsters, she begins to kill her friends and family in an attempt to create a Frankenstein monster-esque creature. The only issue is that when she makes her "child" she rejects it because she realizes it to be a monstrosity that is possessed by the aborted baby, which turns out to be the dream creatures. The second half of the novel then focuses on her attempts to try and rid herself of the monster child.
My question is if it's okay to have a protagonist (the girl) be a killer when the monster (the baby thing she made out of human parts) is also a killer. I'm afraid that having a protagonist with such an extreme case of antiheroism will make readers not terrified of the baby monster. I am also afraid that I won't have a clear antagonist for the first half of the story because the monster obviously hasn't even been made yet.
I am just really afraid this idea will fall flat on its face, and I want some honest opinions on how to make it more terrifying and readable.
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>>7570614
don't do the dream creature thing. Things in dreams have been done with Lovecraft countless times. it's an old idea that's pretty boring.
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>>7570614
Wow. No. You've never experienced any one of the real world things, and I doubt you have the creativity to convey them. I can't believe you actually told people about that in real life, you autistic Dick
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>>7570753
Well, I was hoping for constructive criticism, but deconstructive works, too. Please elaborate on your words so that I may tweak the design a bit.
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>the girls were laughing because of OP's pervasive slip into the passive voice.
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People with creative writing and/or English degrees always tell you that passive voice is bad, but then you see the same people write sentences like '"this is some dialogue" said someone'. Now there's still a subject, ok, but isn't it still close to passive voice shitty to not front load the subject? English goes subject-verb-object, so why do "good" writers write like that? wrote a guy on the internet.
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The passive/active distinction is total bullshit, and I'm speaking as someone who is constantly sperging out about semi-colons and past/future tenses.
Active voice wont make you shit writing exciting, and it does not make amazing writing dull. It does not pull you out of the tone or flow of a work and its not in poor form like repeating words constantly in poor analogies in a poor display of poor grammar.
He posted quite autistically, indeed.
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Why is female laughter so devastating to a man's ego?
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Best books on Economics?
I'm interested in both 'Left' and 'Right wing' perspectives.
Thank-you
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The Worldly Philosophers by Some Old Patrish Dude
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>pseudoscience
Jes read Infinite Jest insted
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>>7570474
Wow, that's off topic, but coincidentally I've already read Infinite Jest. It was pretty good, so thanks for the recommendation anyhow.
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>rejection letter from the literary agency
Well shit. I mean, at least they get back to me, but damn, this stings.
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That Jamaican guy who won the Man Booker prize last year had his first novel get rejected 70 times. Or maybe 70 times was Ayn Rand's first novel, I ca't remember, but anyway, his first novel got rejected a lot.
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>tfw the rejection letter says your work shows you're mentally unstable and that you should seek professional help
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2016 will be THE year, OP. Just keep at it. We're all gonna make it, brehs.
>>7570411
What was the story about?
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Hello /lit/,
Not knowing where else to go or who else to turn to, I turn to you. As I have begun my second year at university and with the creation of the title of "sophomore" as I so readily and excitingly call myself, I have also begun to address my depression. At first it wasn't much, I passed it off with a wave. But that wave was solemn because I knew that it would be back to visit me soon. I acknowledged its departure in vain. Soon its visits to me began to increase in ferocity and repetitiveness. So too did my visits to my doctor. I have started treatment but all to soon have I started something else. The recollection of the fact that my writing, as a result of the medication, is not what it once was. The medication a rock, myself a sharp knife. The rock has made me dull. Have any of you ever experienced this sensation? If so, what is better? To live life without depression and its vices but to be subjected to the vacancy of creativity? Or to possess that spark we all hope will never extinguish but to be tormented by the demons of our own doing? What do I do?
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>>7570275
Stop talking like that. You're a sophomore in 2016. Stop it. You're a kid. Be a kid.
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If this vapid thesaurus of a shitpost was the best you could do, you should probably just end it all.
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>>7570285
Thanks bra
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>start writing a short story based off some character or scenario
>it evolves into a way-too-ambitious exploration of questions I have no sort of answer to
every fucking time
anyone else have trouble keeping works small? i feel like my work is always unfinished unless I dig deeper into the material and it reaches a point where the whole thing just becomes confused and unfinishable
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>>7569769
Yep, I usually come up with some idea in an attempt to create something short and quickly-digestible only to see it better fit into a much longer narrative. As far as your problem goes, I would say not every question needs to be answered.
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This happens because you don't have a goal with the narrative. Have a goal, make all the questions go around the final, that is the presentation of the "big theme".
Like >>7569797 said, nor all of the questions have to be answered, but the end, what you want to say with the story has to leave to the reader some evidences about the things that you showed. Let them do the equation.
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>>7569769
You don't have to answer the questions raised by the story. You can bring the central premise to a close and leave the questions open
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Hey /lit/ can anyone recommend a book for me that is like American Psycho? I loved the book and all the aspects of it but am sad that it is ended and want something to fill that hole in my reads.
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just go to BEE's twitter feed. he never shuts up on there
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>>7569714
Start with his other fiction. Glamorama and The Informers are his best besides that one. If you're just looking for something as visceral and fucked up, Blood Meridian. Something very fucked up that has a similar sense of humor and deranged pathology would be Naked Lunch. Now that I think it over, those two books actually have quite a bit in common.
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>>7570443
The Talented Mr Ripley perhaps?
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Look at picrelated. There it is. Your chance to enlighten the plebeians, possibly spark the artistic fervour inside someone who may not know their potential. Convince Frances that she's wrong! Write as if your comment will be publicly seen on facebook under your own name.
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>>7569575
She already too lost to be saved.
If you're that set in your point of view, there is no convincing you.
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>>7569582
"Ewwww, "The Egotist", you're so creepy, lol! No wonder you don't talk in class!"
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>>7569593
Is there a point to this comment?
I'll admit I'm lazy and it isn't impossible to convince anyone.
But the chances of succeeding are low enough with a person like in OP's related for it to not be worth it.
It's a lot like choosing your friends. Sure you could try to be friends with everyone. But some people aren't worth the effort.
Most actually, but that bit is an opinion.
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How does /lit/ feel about fahrenheit 451?
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The last quarter of it is pure poetry.
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check the archive
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>>7569340
Ray Bradbury's style is better suited to short stories. His novel dragged on too much.
>and almost certainly, they knew that they had witness...the birth of a nation.
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>>7569112
>So thanks, kudos, and all that Jazz
>You've just read The Leaves of Grass
Fucking Americans.
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>>7569112
>"Thanks for the snack, Jack. Looks like I'm headed back on the road."
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we had this thread yesterday must it must have been euthanized by all the other quality threads we've been getting.
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Is this book worth reading? Don't really know much about Kissinger, but I heard it's good. Have you guys read it?
>I'm guessing it's a thinly veiled blueprint for an eventual New World Order
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>>7569044
Isn't it like 300 pages? Just fucking read it.
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It is not thinly veiled
He basically says all major historical geopolitical powers tend to some pattern of world order and that the modern form is just a continuation of the past forms
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>>7569081
It sounds interesting because he mentions "how to build a shared international order in a world of divergent historical perspectives, violent conflict, proliferating technology, and ideological extremism."
I like books about transhumanism and all this real world "chaos" and fast-paced change.
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Hundred odd pages into this and its boring as fuck. Does it get any better?
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>>7568856
Nothing ever gets better than fuck.
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>>7568864
bravo, i am going to steal that
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>>7568891
>>>/reddit/
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How do we differentiate between which things are worth knowing and which are not. What books are worth reading and which are not?
I'm a perfectionist. I know that you don't just start reading history, or reading philosophy, or learning a language. You have to start at the beginning. So where is the beginning? How do I do any of these things?
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the greeks
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Well the first step is to learn how to think. Once you have done that, you won't need to ask us these questions. Problem solved!
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I keep sitting down to read, but I find myself questioning what I'm getting out of it. I tried to read about the Napoleonic wars the other day. I couldn't keep it up. Where is the benefit in knowing the names of Napoleon's marshals or the details of his battles? Where is the benefit in knowing anything? How does it benefit me? I try to read philosophy, but it's too daunting. I can understand so little of it. Feels like trying to climb a mountain without even knowing where it is. I hate myself for having so little attention span and being so fucking retarded. If I could will my IQ higher, I would, but I'M JUST SO FUCKING STUPID.