I want to look into Yukio Mishima, where to start /lit/ ?
He's dead, but read Confessions of a Mask
same place you would with any other author
in chronological order you pleb
>>7576363
You should begin with Confessions of a Mask, move to Golden Pavilion and Sailor Who Fell From Grace, and end with Patriotism, Sun and Steel and the Tetrology, in that order. His biography, The Life and Death of Yukio Mishima is a really, really good book, and you can see that far from being an ultranationalist, he was really just sort of a brilliant autist with a fixation on death.
Is this a decent reading order for the Greeks? Excuse the shitty spelling and formatting. I tried to logically combine the three different Greek reading orders I see bandied around on /lit/.
I'm fine with reading loads, just want to make sure it's in a logical progression.
The * means "not strictly essential"
what's all this secondary material trash read originals first
read the illiad and the odyssey first, then drama/plato/presocratics, then whatever random bullshit you want
>>7576307
I want a good background and frame for everything.
>>7576314
even then don't start with mythology
at most read the ancient greece cultural history. the odyssey and the illiad. don't bog yourself down in secondary material tbqh, it won't help much once you get a good grasp on athenian culture.
Is this book hard to read? I'm pretty entry-level but I really wanna read this.
>>7576191
What are some other things you've read? Any other Russian lit, for example?
>>7576199
Like I said, I'm pretty entry-level. I have barely read in the last years, but I want to get into literature. I haven't read any other Russian lit, yet.
yeah read it. its basic
What are sum boeks that have not translated to English.
>>7575996
PS if you post Zettels Traum I call you nazi. kiss
my diary
Anon's diary
That's about it
>>7576000
Was gonna post that lol
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Could you recommend some books in which the protagonist lives a lonely life and dies alone?
>>7575753
Chandlers Philip Marlowe is quite the lone wolf but those are detective novels, not sure if that's what you`re looking for. Also I don't want to spoil if he dies or not.
Crime and punishment deals with depression and the feeling of loneliness. You should give it a try.
White (k)nights, by Dost is what you are looking for, opie
Why are old philosophical books (eg: the greeks) so dry? it feels like the author is just monotonously reciting his ideas without any passion or a theme that gets you interested in it, compared to some modern literature let's say.
>>7575630
different times. Back then it was already breathtaking to read anything actually written down at all. There were only a few books, so you had much more time to read them.
Plato certainly isn't dry
What is left of Aristotle is his lecture notes
>>7575636
What's your source for your claim? About Greeks being amazed by being able to read books?
>>7575639
>Plato certainly isn't dry
I've found that the socratic method gets old very fast.
What did this part mean? Am we supposed to know?
>The way it ended with Gertrude Stein was strange enough. We had become very good friends [...]
>It was before noon but the maidservant poured me a glass of eau-de-vie, put it in my hand and winked happily. The colorless alcohol felt good on my tongue and it was still in my mouth when I heard someone speaking to Miss Stein as I had never heard one person speak to another; never, anywhere, ever.
>Then Miss Stein's voice came pleading and begging, saying, 'Don't, pussy. Don't. Don't, please don't. I'll do anything, pussy, but please don't do it. Please don't. Please don't, pussy.'
>I swallowed the drink and put the glass down on the table and started for the door
>>7575562
It makes sense that Stein was so arrogant and smug in public, she liked to play the subservient bottom dyke behind closed doors.
>>7575562
It means Hem admired and valued Gertrude Stein's friendship and mentorship until he saw the lesbo side of her life.
What's the general opinion on this guy in /lit/? I use to see his shit in charts but he's never discussed.
>>7575503
>but he's never discussed.
He is the best writer of that generation. Absalom, Absalom is amazing, and his prose is incredibly difficult but rewarding. He is influential, most of /lit/'s favorite authors owe him at least some literary debt. Suttree for example is very "Faulknerian".
Beyond that, almost all of his work is worth reading.
>>7575503
People haven't read him.
Chee twitched in her nest, asleep. The leaves around her were trampled down, forming a thick and warm ground covering. Above her, the moss covered roots of her tree formed a pocket into the earth. The sun was rising, warming the ground and waking the song birds. The infinite forest began to stir with their sound, and the movement of small animals scurrying up and down the tree. Chee opened her eyes, and peeked out of her nest hole. She saw the understory of the forest, a story she knew well. The ferns were unfolding, the moss was moist from the dew in the night, and the brush of fallen needles littered the ground.
The dried, hollow gourd that Chee kept water in was nearly empty. She put it up to her lips to let the last few drops reluctantly trickle into her mouth. Not yet ready to leave her nest, she started digging around in the leaf cover. Soon she uncovered a stash of large seeds that had fallen from nearby trees. She put one into her mouth, then covered the stash up again with some of her sleeping leaves. The seed was hard and bitter on the outside, Chee had to soften it with her saliva for a while, before she locked it between her back teeth and bit down. Once cracked open, soft wet pod inside slipped out into her mouth. Moving the shell aside into her cheek, she delicately sucked the seed pod. The flavor was subtle and earthy. She then chewed up the seed pod, and swallowed the mascerated treat with one large gulp.
Chee picked up her gourd, and carefully crawled out of the nest hole. She made her way along the path she shared with elk. The ground was trampled grass, soft and wet and cool on her bare feet. The errant branches sticking out into the path, Chee carefully moved aside. Soon the sound of running water was audible. As the path rounded a sharp corner, the river came into view. At the point Chee stood, the river was slow and fat and wide. A little ways down, it got narrow and rocky, the water fighting its way down.
Continued.
you did it. you beat literature... beat her to a stinkin fuckin pulp. aya!!!!!!
Chee approached the edge of the river. Her feet sank into the mud of the bank, sliding up between her toes. Beyond the mud were rocks halfway above the surface. Carefully stepping onto them, she balanced her self and stepped towards the middle of the river. Here the water flowed quickly and was clear and cool. She crouched down, then lowered her gourd, letting the water flow into it. She lifted the gourd and poured the water into her mouth, letting it flow down her cheeks, neck, and breast. Again she dunked her gourd, letting it fill up. After a few more sips, she noticed a twinge. Relaxing, she let herself make water, freely flowing into the river and being carried away.
Standing up, she wobbled back over the rocks and took a leap that sailed her over the mud of the bank. Back on her trail, she casually walked along, looking around for anything edible. Hidden behind a tree, Chee spotted a number of small green sprouts sticking out of the earth. Kneeling down, she carefully pulled one by its base. Out of the ground came a thick, brown tuber. Chee began to eat. When the taste of the dirt passed, the tuber itself left a hearty, satisfying taste in her mouth.
You're gonna have to do better than *that* if you want to EARN mommy's love!!!!
What is a good "attention grabbing" book for a person who hasn't read literature since high school? Tried reading Game of Thrones, but found it to be incredibly boring and gave up about a quarter way through. Person in pic was my favorite author in high school.
>>7575384
Finnegans Wake.
>>7575387
In the English language preferably
catch 22 didn't bore me once. very easy read too
Just finished reading pic related, first book I've read in a while. Trying to get into literature more, wanted to know how the average /lit/erati reads in his life.
When do you read? How much before you stop? Do you ever take notes/annotate, and do you ever go back through a book to analyze it before moving on to a new one? And have you felt your reading speed increase? I'm a bit of a slow reader myself
>>7575111
>>>/reddit/
>>7575111
1-2 hours a day, mostly. I'll take notes if I really like something that an author did or if I need to wrap my head around the story a bit more, and if I like a certain theme that a book focused on, I'll try to play with it in my own writing. Reading speed depends on the book.
Read Dostoevsky's works.
>>7575121
the man is asking for advice and wants to learn about literature and /lit/ it's not an elitist club don't be a fucking prick.
Are there any books where the narrator suffers from a gradual mental deterioration to the point that they're no longer coherent by the end of the book?
Pic unrelated, I guess.
>>7574977
my diary desu
>>7574977
A Scanner Darkly by Phillip K. Dick is the perfect example of this. If that's what you're looking for you'll love it
>>7575007
Isn't Darkly in the third person?
Who's the greatest modernchildren's author?
Probably Lemony Snicket (aka Daniel Handler).
>>7574932
not related, but swell job of companies to promote people to buy their garbage by using a dead man's legacy and slapping an icon from one of his albums on top of their goods
great job consumerism
>>7574967
Bowie was a fashion icon, I think it's fitting that he should be memorialized in a medium he's done so much to advance
Voltaire vs. Swift
Which celebrated 18th century satirist do you prefer?
Personally, I prefer Voltaire due to his work being in many ways more charming than Swift's and actually making me laugh.
More Voltaire worth reading IMO but Gulliver is sick
>>7574869
they are both liberals cuckolds.
>>7575061
You are an embarrassment to yourself and your family.