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>>7577962
What do you lose?

>>7577974
your life

>>7577974
if you lose you have to read a book.

you're right it's just utilitarianism, but I would say he's making a reasonable claim by glossing over one that is less certain, but not necessarily wrong for doing so

I think we can all agree that while morality is, if we are going to be strictly logical and philosophical about it, subjective, we can also agree that for practical purposes, much of morality can be treated as shared among a majority of humankind (a lot of the themes are aligned, at the very least)

And I think Sam is mostly motivated by the reasonable intuition that yes, science, specifically psychology and other human focused sciences, is probably very capable of giving us the most accurate way to achieve the prescriptive goals of our mostly shared morality (don't kill, don't steal, respect other people as equals in at least some sense)

I haven't read his book so I can't tell you how serious he is about believing that we can know for certain that a specific moral prescription is objectively true, but I suspect it's not that important to his point

>>7578009
I'm pretty sure he's serious about the objective part. But even if not, I'm still at a loss. I can easily agree that science is a pretty handy tool to decide which way to go in moral dilemmas IF you have a definition of morality ready. SH uses the "maximize weel-beeing" one. He just does, because that's common sense (to him). But science would be eaqually handy if the definition was the "maximize the capabilities of the human race".
Ultimately the definition is the thing in question. Noone (well, noone worth their salt) ever argued that science can't be a helpfull tool for deciding, so his point is either moot or wrong, depending on how serious you consider him to be when talking about objective morality.

>>7578255
>Ultimately the definition of the goal is the thing in question, not which tools to use, to help us decide how to get there.

fix'd

>>7577889
just read him first

Is his writing too complex? English is not my native tongue, so I would like to start reading him with his simplest novel

Trash author

same

The /his/ split really did a number on the board, and having a little fresh blood to fuel the machine will make us better in the end.

It will calm down over time, just remember to shitpost in shitthreads and call out cancer where you see it.

whatcha readin OP?

Genealogy of Morals or Beyond Good and Evil

not memeing: aristotle and plato and schopenhauer

if you go into nietzsche without a bases in at least aristotle and plato you'll never understand anything he says and end up a teenage edgelord

>>7577824
surely for schopenhauer you need Kant as he explicitly says so? Or not

I've found it works well to only read physical books, and set aside time to be "no electronics allowed"

1. pick up book
2. open it
3. direct eyes to ink
4. interpret ink squiggles to meaning
5. do this until book is out of ink squiggles
6. pick up next book
7. see step 2

hard work but you'll get there

>>7577533
Keep your phone in the other room.

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>>7577563

Kierkegaard

Thomas Merton

The author of the aesthetics of Christian truth: forgot the subtitle and the author. Just look it up on Amazon

Nuanced and intellectual religious authors are the best

>>7577451
This. Kierkegaard is for people like us - Intelligent, Witty, and a wicked sense of humor.

A Secular Age by Charles Taylor

always been more interested in green pill

>>7577260
I always thought Savitri Devi's quietly disgusted expression on Defiance would make a good reaction image.

Incidentally, Archeofuturism would be better if it didn't have the Eurosiberia story at the end with the holographic totty. Evola is also fun though.

>>7577281
*always fun

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Once upon a time I
thought up a little rhyme
and posted it to /lit/
so they could call it shit.

That feeling one gets with no gf
Reading Wallace by the fire.
Awaiting the approaching death
Of literature's turgid sire.

Maybe I'll post in a poetry thread,
Thinking about Pepe Grenouille.
Another chance, before I am dead,
To post another dank me me.

I am the eternal literature pleb
Never posting with flowers
Nothing really rymes with pleb
Maybe I should just post meowers.

>>7577220
bee eee ayyy you tee full

my last name

'g'

absolutely

platanote

light

>>7577054
ostensibly

in actuality

vapid

hedonism

cuck

>>7577069
>cuck
>sincerely your favorite word

kys m8

because you are 16

It was a radio show first which gave it a long genesis and editing time.

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>>7576962

>>7576812

>Tolstoy
>good

You fucked up...

...just kidding.

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>>7576812

>he fell for the everyman meme

No, you won. It's the Maude translation, and it's Everyman's.

>he came for the memes
gb2 redit pls

>>7576784
But the memes are dankest on the 4chins.

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Please leave

Based Thomas Merton

>>7576629
any recommended works by the guy?

plantinga