Good book /lit/?
Yes.
Read his Civil War after, then Lucan's Poem.
So a setting that I really like is private school.
I know of Tom Brown obviously, and Guillous; Evil. Beyond that I've read that this genre/setting became really saturated by the mid 20th century. So any good preppy school books? East coast stuff maybe? I would really want to see something from Germany or France.mention of Potter will be punished by being beaten with a cricket bat
jakob von gunten
I had to read "A Separate Peace" by John Knowles when I was 15. I don't remember liking it a whole lot, but its backdrop is a private school, and the book is considered to be a classic.
Infinite Jest
Show of you flowery prose here. First thing that comes to mind, spit bitches. Let's hear 'em r-r-r-r's. Faggot-chan, pretentious-chan, who has the fairest prose of them all?
Sure it can be, someway, somehow, a work of agenius; it had been proved back in the day, anyway. Altough it couldn't be measured by preconfigured concepts, like the concept of conceptuating concept1, it had been proved, back in the day2, that an over-sized3 cock can do wonders to your selfsteem - altough it couldn't be measured by any of the, albeit current, means of mensuration held as current back in the day; days being the span of twenty-four hours, an arbitrary and misused concept, which have been been used for hundreds and hundreds of little conceptuations that set a large span of days (concepts), weeks (demi-derivative concepts) and years (non-concepts). So, in long, it could've been considerated a stroke of agenius; truly a safe-heaven for those who despised the so important, conceptually, concepts.
1 "Concepts ad Infinitum/ad Nauseum" are used here by the author A. Nonn as a repetition device: the prose flows harder and redirects the reader to very informative footnotes. Our scholars couldn't get this passage; good luck.
2Repetition device. See note 1
3The author wrote oversized ("over-sized") with a hyphen, making it "bigger" to paint an image of something long, large. The same idea applies to "selfsteem", neology form of self-steem brought into play by the very author of this novel.
Prose is the worst meme on this board. Please stop it.
>>7586696
ITT: no discernible talent
>Started my first Turgenev today - A Hunter's Sketches
>Second page in, laughed out loud at the part with the guy's extravagant French cooking
>Why isn't there more of this guy on /lit/?
>>7586656
Fathers and Sons is pretty much second tier /lit/-core
That being said I agree
“Je ne suis jamais plus sérieux, madame, que quand je dis des bêtises.” is one of my all time favourite quotations
What translation
Turgenev is good. He writes interesting, enjoyable stories. He just lacks a certain element of transcendence beyond his media. He writes books. He writes good ones. But are they really the sorts you think of twenty years down the line?
Since they're turning them into hip-hop musicals now, what's your favorite historical biography /lit/?
This was goodI've only read biographies of American historical figures
I wanna read Sherman and Grant's stuff next
>writing on a laptop or PC
Yeah, good luck with all those hundreds of unfinished novels /lit/. Real writers use paper because you simply have to organise projects into folders and complete them, rather than saving every half a page you write as a new document and never opening them again.
>What is Scrivener.
Yeah, but I agree with you. I'm one that prefer paper than laptop. Every time that I see some written text in the PC/Laptop I see it like something smaller than a written text in notebook.
>>7586603
>he doesn't use both mediums to write
git gud
POWER RANKING
R8, H8
Crime and Punishment > Brothers Karamazov > The Idiot > Demons > The Gambler > The Double
Brothers Karamazov > rest
Tolstoy > Dostoevsky=Chekhov
Notes>Demons>Brothers>Idiot>Gambler>Crime
How do you have achieve a state of non-desire if you have to desire it to achieve it?
>>7586503
By losing the desire to achieve non-desire. It is only when we are truly lost that we may find ourselves, Govinda.
By not using shitty translations
>>7586503
The first comment is right. Be apathetic to non-desire and you will have achieved it already.
Thoughts on this book?
Hahahaha omg I've actually read it. It was good, I liked it as an adult, but I think the moral is horrible to be exposing children to, at least without someone to talk to them about it
Wanting to drive the bus is an obvious symbol for autism- see "Rain Man".
>>7586169
The pigeon should have been allowed to drive the bus imo
I find it interesting that in an age when we're told that reading is on the decline and that the Internet has shortened all of our attention spans, that instead of fiction readers shifting to short stories or novellas, that it actually seems like things have gone completely the other way. It seems like we're living in a time when novelists are taking on huge, epic, multi-book projects.
>Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin
>My Struggle by Karl Ove Knausgaard
>The Neapolitan Novels by Elena Ferrante
>The Familiar by Mark Z. Danielewski
>The Iowa Trilogy by Jane Smiley
You could probably think of more. It's odd, no? I don't remember such a number of sprawling, multi-book novels ten years ago. Instead of shrinking to account for everybody's shorter attention spans these days, novels seem to have exploded. Anyone else notice this or think it's interesting? Everyone's Proust these days.
As someone who enjoys single books in the ~250 page region this trend towards trilogies of huge books digusts me.
That is interesting, I have no explanation for it. Given the general cultural context I'd expect novellas or short books of aphorisms to be all the rage, but literature seems to have gone the other way.
>>7586156
While general readership is definitely in decline the internet has given a market to niche interests (which reading has, to a certain degree, become). So while the attention span of the average person has definitely decreased there has also sprung up a new market of reading enthusiasts who are precisely the market for epic, sprawling, literary series
Who /OnlyReadsShortStories/ here?
>>7586035
what are some quintessential short classics litizens? Afaik there is Dubliners, Notes from Underground and the Stranger
>>7586045
Kafka, m8
>>7586045
Vonnegut actually has some very beautiful short stories. His style lends more to them, i think.
thoughts? what's the series comparable to?
i'm expecting something like a Burroughs story minus the perversions
>>7585975
I've so far only read City of Glass, and absolutely loved it.
It nailed the whole noir-pulp crime atmosphere, and all the way along had these faint little twists and cliches come up that make you feel all giddy for having recognized them.
I honestly haven't read too much like it.
bump
this should be talked about
I think of calvino and borges, maybe murakami as a contemporary. I haven't read eco but from what I understand he does the "literary take on genre fic" well.
Hi /lit/
First of all , English is not my mother tongue and i have a question about poetry
i know it is a stupid question but is it necessary to use a fixed metric system in poet ?
sorry for my bad english
No.
It's not necessary, take a look at shit like Ginsberg
>>7585936
Shortest answer: No.
Short answer: Not anymore.
Longer answer: No, but no great poetry is truly 'meterless' either in a very loose sense.
Hello /lit/ I know barely anything about literature, but I've been writing something as an outlet for my creativity, I've done this before and usually I simply stop writing within days but suprisingly enough I find myself still developing the story further and realising the growing possibility that I somehow might actually finish a book. I have no idea if it's good or not and I won't bother you with it, just with this question : I am a foreinger but I'm writing the book in english, is it even possible for a random foreinger to get a publisher to release a book I the uk or america? Or should I just throw it online somewhere?
>>7585861
Foreigner here too. As much as I would like to write in english too, I think it is a bad idea. Where are you from?
>>7585861
Getting picked up by a big publishing house is harder than ever for anyone. Self publishing on places like Amazon is as easy as formatting and uploading.
But you're thinking too far ahead. Keep writing, find people to give criticism, and get native English speakers to fix the grammar.
>>7585861
More Schizophrenic John comics.
Can somebody elucidate the distinction between Universality and Necessity? It seems to me that universality would dictate necessity, but I'm inclined to believe that, despite how I feel, this is not the case. Can someone provide me with an example of something that is universal but not necessary?
>>7585850
I think of it this way:
If x is universal, then we always observe x even though we can imagine and/or conceive of not observing it.
If y is necessary, the it is impossible to imagine and/or conceive of not-y, whether we observe y only once or thousands of times.
For example:
We can discover that some fact about nature is always and everywhere observed, and yet think without contradiction of nature being different. The specific rate of gravitation is an example of this, or the specific boiling temperature of water (taking into account variables like air resistance and air pressure); even though it's possible to conceive of the rate of gravitation being faster or slower than it is, or water boiling at a higher or lower temperature, we find as a matter of fact that these values are universal, constant.
For other aspects of nature, we are conscious that they must be the case. Even if there is only one triangle in the world, that triangle's angles will add up to 180 degrees; even if we only add 7 + 5 once and never engage in mathematics again, we are conscious that the sum could only be 12. The impossibility of conceiving/imagining/experiencing some other result is the mark of necessity.
>>7586019
thank you very much, anon!! this rly helps :^)
>>7586067
Happy to! Refer to Critique of Pure Reason B3-B6, especially the ways that Kant describes (and largely cancels out) the distinction differently from the way I do.