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So I want to be an author. I'm sure most of us do. I did have a great stint back in 2014. I got really into writing short stories in the fall then did nanowrimo. It kicked my ass and burnt me out. 2k words a day then nothing since. I have not edited the novel or even re-read it.

Since then I had a baby and I'm looking for a new job. Life is busy, so I set a new goal of 200 words a day. Small potatoes but better than zero. Here are my issues:

I'm really into writing fiction, but only like reading non-fiction. I'm worried there is an issue with this.

I hardly ever read. I would lie and say I don't have time, but I fiddle away at least an hour browsing the chans when I should be reading. I guess after a long day I just want to do something mindless.

I know the best course is just to fucking write and read and I don't expect any pay off for a good few years, but I have spent 8 years building a world in my head and really want to share it with the world.
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1) read more
2) write more
3) ????
4) no profit!

honestly though just write. its gonna be shit and you're gonna hate it. then you edit it and you hate it a little less. so on and so forth. also, I'd recommend you write with pencil and paper instead of on a laptop or tablet or, god forbid, phone. it will help you in the end. if you're not creating you're simply not creating. so create.

I'm in the same boat as you though except I also am a songwriter. for 5 years now I've been struggling with actually creating when I want to. I'm moving into my first apartment next week and I'm looking forward to cultivating an environment where I will actually fukken write.

/lit/ is gonna shit on you though
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I became an avid reader like fifteen months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult book or one that makes me sleepy I grab another and switch. This should refresh your head. Keep them thematically different. I read economics and fiction.

-It isn't a race. Reading slowly won't make you sleepy that fast. Try to acknowledge what books are for you to read fast and which aren't.

-Buy the physical copies. When you get the books from your own money you'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting your money.

-Start with books highly discussed here so you feel motivated to discuss.
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>>7628392

>/lit/ is gonna shit on you though

Well you didn't, and that's a great start. Any reason you think pen and paper helps? I used to do it all the time with notes on my world, but I have terrible hand writing and my hand cramps very easily. I do like the lack of distraction, but I could also use my laptop and not access internet.

I have to admit, after sitting at a computer all day the idea of real pen and paper is exciting. I also like to draw, so it could double as a sketch book.

what's the best book on the history of art?
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The Story of Art - Gombrich (spelling maybe I can't be arsed to google it)
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>>7628198
Gardner's Art Through the Ages is the bible of art history.
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>>7628198
It's definitely not the best, but in terms of enjoyement I recommend Umberto Eco's "History of Beauty" and "On Ugliness"

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What are some instances when your thinking lined up directly with the author's?

For me, while reading ride the tiger
>But to avoid straying too far from my argument, the point is that the most acute forms of the modern existential crisis are appearing today at the margin of a civilization of prosperity, as witness the currents in the new generation that have been described. One sees there rebellion, dis- gust, and anger manifesting not in a wretched and oppressed subprole- tariat but often in young people who lack nothing, even in millionaires' children. And among other things it is a significant fact, statistically proven, that suicide is much rarer in poor countries than in rich ones, showing that the problematic life is felt more in the latter than in the former. Blank despair can occur right up to the finishing-post of socio- economic messianism, asln the musical comedy about a Utopian island where they have everything, "fun, women, and whiskey," but also the ever-recurrent sense of the emptiness of existence, the sense that some- thing is still missing.

Holy shit, reading this was just like going through my own thoughts, to the suicide statistic and everything.
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must suck to be you if this is how yo uthink
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>>7628057
not exactly accurate either
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>>7628072
God damn it what the fuck
How did I hear different then? Why does evola say different? This shakes up everything I believe in

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I know there's a sticky, but I feel like it's not exactly extensive or offers enough for certain subjects.

So I thought we might just post what type of book we want to read and helpful anons will post books they think fit our needs.

I'd like to know more about the Ottoman Turks, does anyone know a good book about them?
Preferably written in a way that's appealing to people who aren't history majors too.
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I'd like one french book that's both a classic and not so hard to read.
My idea is to read this alongside its translation and, hopefully, learn a little bit of the language.

PS: I've read The Little Prince already, but the book I want now doesn't necessarily have to be that easy.

>>7627829
Sorry fami/lit/, I don't know any.
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Any recommendations for all things of, or about, Caodaism.
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>>7627829
I've heard good things about "Osman's Dream"

>>7628324
Blagov, Sergei (2012). Caodaism: Vietnamese Traditionalism and Its Leap Into Modernity. Nova Science Publishers. ISBN 1590331508

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I'm in the bookstore I have a bunch of credit. P&v or c. Garnett translation please help. Also Russian translation thread
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are those literally the only two translations they have? neither are ideal
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>>7627600
P&V would be better than Garnett I think.
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It's a small local shop I'm just trying to support him

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I never loved Don Delillo but his novels were always almost great and good enough to keep me looking for more of his work when I was bored. I also usually can't stand novels about writers.

Anyways, I came on here just to tell you guys that this might be the most beautiful work of American literature written since I was born (1989). I feel like it has these kaleidoscopic elements where scenes of crowds, terrorists, cities, media, mass production and art are always weaving into eachother seamlessly.

The plot opens with a writer who is going to come out of reclusiveness through new photographs but his last work will be intentionally endlessly worked on and edited so that it can't exist.

It's really beautiful. I feel like it doesn't get enough mention on here.
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>>7626984

Currently reading it and enjoying it. Just made it to chapter six. Interesting thoughts the qualities of the image and its relation to reality so far.

So far I agree with your observation of seamless interweaving. He pulls it off quite well.

It's far too early for me to form a comprehensive opinion on the work, but so far things are boding very well.

Still not liking it as much as White Noise, go ahead and call me a pleb, it's probably true. But then again, I'm only 1/4 through the work.
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>>7626984
>this might be the most beautiful work of American literature written since I was born
You haven't read The Tunnel.
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Don DeLillo thread?

I have an ebook of Underworld of only 623 pages, whereas it's actually supposed to be 823 pages long.
I've been wanting to read this so bad but I'm not because I think it's incomplete. Can you guys give me a nice little link for downloading the complete epub?

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Should I plunge right away or start with Dubliners?
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Dubs.
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Read it now and see how far you get before giving up. Then read it again in five years or so when you can actually enjoy it.

That's what I did at least.
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>>7626690

Start with Dubliners.

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Can anyone post the 100 books list that /lit/ did?
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here ya go
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>>7625379
Hello!
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Does the new "epic art" being produced by North Korean artists show us that there is an alternative to the degenerate art being peddled by gallery owners and other high culture merchants in capitalist centers like New York and London? The art dealers try to tell us that we live in post-modern times and that beautiful naturalistic art is dead, and that we should be happy to pony up our cash, be it for canvases or museum admission, to see simple shapes and splatters, and the occasional literal turd. The same way aggressive Japanese commercial expansion forced America out of it's 60s hangover with the influx of affordable quality cars and appliances will these new installations of truly epic art force American artists to snap out of their infantile regression into the primitive? Or is commodity art doomed to be inferior to great art commissioned by the strong?
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>>7624498
I cant even justify a tiny little aspect of this being literature.

>>/ic/
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>>7624586
yeah, but no one else is literate enough to talk about art and aesthetics, or critical enough to consider the affects of the economic system on culture production
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>>7624591
The entire population of this board are pretentious English major undergrads, many of whom wear tight pants suggesting an apathy towards capitalism or success. Just because they cruise through books does not mean any have gone to an art gallery.

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I'm about 110 pages into pic related, and I can't fucking stand Esther and I hope she's killed off soon. Was it Gaddis's intention to have her disliked?
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>killed off
>author's intentions
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>>7624256
you're not reading genre fiction and you're going to dislike most of the characters in this novel it's intentional
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>I dislike a certain character!
>I hope she's killed like this is some kind of soap
>what are the A U T H O R ' S I N T E N T I O N S ?
jesus fucking christ are you addicted to drugstore paperbacks?

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What are some good adult fairy tale style books? When the writing is wondrous yet aimed at a mature audience first and foremost.
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Eve in Crackland.
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Walter Moers. Read Rumo and The City of Dreaming Books. Great tales.
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Angela Carter's the bloody chamber

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How the fuck am I supposed to read this thing?

I read part 1 and then took a break for a while. I won't lie. I barely understood anything. I try to read it nice and slow but there's still times where I lose the plot and get completely lost. A book has never made me feel this stupid.

Should I try to make sense of it or just keep going the way I've gone. Should I read a section and then look up what it meant online or just keep pushing forward and doing my best?

I don't know if part 2 is easier to understand than part 1 or if I'm just getting acclimated to Pynchon's style but I feel like I'm understanding it a little better.

I feel guilty going forward when I feel like I don't understand it very well. Should I restart part 1?
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I thought part 1 was pretty linear & sequential aside from the digressions. I could be remembering wrong. I took pretty extensive notes of the characters though, I remember that being the most confusing part of the entire novel, and especially in pt 1.
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Absorb what you can and don't think about it too much. Then come back and read it again. Don't feel bad, nobody understands GR the first time around, especially not a novitiate to Pynchon.
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>>7626912

I haven't been taking notes or anything. Should I? Reading this reminds me of when I tried to get into jazz and couldn't follow anything musically. I just read it and if I don't understand something I just keep going forward but I'm worried that I'm cheating myself out of the experience. But I also worry that if I tried to understand every little thing then I'd never finish it. I think I'm enjoying myself though. I can't even tell anymore.

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First time on /lit/ and all I see are dead white men. Can we discuss our favourite non-white authors?
I'm a massive fan of Chinua Achebe, Ben Okri and James Baldwin. Im about to start reading A brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James anyone here read it?
Also Female Authors.
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I've recently learned that Samuel Delany is black, very surprising (and homosexual but that was no surprise). Nova was very meta and pretty OK, I still haven't understood Dhalgren. Is there anything besides Dhalgren one has to have read by Delany?

I didn't know that Octavia Butler was black either.
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>>7626485
>muh identity politics

>>>/tumblr/
>>>/pol/

Just read good literature, fag
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>>7626499
What I've realised is that Ive mostly only read dead white men, Im just wanting to see if anyone on /lit/ can recommend good literature that was written by others, The works of Achebe/Okri and Baldwin can't really be compared to what Ive read before.

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Is philosophy really an useless subject to study in university?
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>>7626432

Every study is a useless study on a cosmic level. But if you feel philosophy suits the time spent between this fleeting moment and your death, go for it homie.
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Yep
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>>7626432

Minor in it. Don't major in it unless you plan to go to law school or become a professor.

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ITT: We critique prose.

I'll start: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZRQFxpnmqv3dFmhO-wtBa8VqUnt7nULqVm3vwCwa5YU/pub
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>>7610045
good style, I like it. its actually really good imo. the content doesn't matter I suppose, on its own this story isnt much, but I guess you wanted a critique of writing.
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>>7610045
It reads like you're trying too hard to be smart.

Many of the sentences drag on and need to lose some weight.

Will post something of mine in a sec...
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This is so bad but whatever. Hit me with your thoughts.

A peculiar headache reached up through the coils and folds of my brain to nest beside the left temple. Every second moment a piercing throb would remind me of its enthusiastically effectual existence. Had I known that an insufficient mix of coffee and water were to blame (not enough water, more than enough coffee) I could have solved the problem in a moment while digressing from a disease succinct enough to ensure fatality: boredom.
My father and his old high school friend still chatted at their table across the cafe, intent on each other, dad rarely casting a glance toward us, his tedious charges of myself, Amy, and my friend Sarah, where we lounged on a couch apiece. Our wide-spread leg space demanded too much comfort for others to relax.
“Sweat pants were made to be comfortable in,” Sarah said when we had sat down. She spread her legs in the typical male fashion of knees far apart. Victorian-era ladies would have swooned from embarrassment, but I laughed and mimicked in my worn and faded jeans.
Ninety minutes later, Sarah had her legs tucked underneath her and flipped through the same Cosmo for a tenth time. My legs were ladylike crossed, to the enjoyment of royalty and fucking pompous asses everywhere. To be accurate, it contrasted my lazy grunge mode of dress nicely even though I scanned through another Cosmo.

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