Hey /lit/, what are some good versions of bad books?
E.g. Foucault's Pendulum vs. The Da Vinci Code
Mrs. Dalloway <> Ulysses
The Little Prince > most of the wannabe love and philosophy stories today.
>>7650459
I can't tell which one's the bad one
Anybody see this in The New York Times?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/books/review/everything-about-everything-david-foster-wallaces-infinite-jest-at-20.html
It's official now: David Foster Wallace is the most important contemporary writer of our time.
>>7650413
I went to my local library, and guess what. It wasn't on the shelf. A check of the catalog and apparently, no version at the library.
They did have Trump's Crippled America though-which I checked out with the qt3.14 at the desk.
why did d f w like clouds so much
is he is so important why is he dead
Was David Foster Wallace always this horrendously fat and disgusting?
>>7650326
it's a no dude
>>7650326
I am yet to see a picture of David at the weight they portrayed him in TEOTT.
Jason was on a strict diet of hot pockets and cream puffs, and was told not to do any strenuous activity in preparation for the film.
I have a feeling it had something to do with Jason looking a bit too tall and lanky, as appose to david having more of a stocky build. They probably planned on making him gain weight, and then getting him to tone, but ran out of time.
The Wallace estate as well as his editor have disavowed the film, not because it gets anything factually wrong but because it does something that Wallace would never have wanted: it turns him into a character.
It's very hard to take the end of this movie seriously with Eisenberg’s Lipsky crying while reading to a large crowd from his own book about Wallace while the movie flashes back to David dancing a free-form, child-like dance in slow-motion inside a church; it’s an image — an embarrassing idea — that would drive any writer as smart and image-conscious as Wallace to self-annihilation.
“Be a good guy,” Wallace begs Lipsky near the end of the movie in its most cringe-worthy moment, gently pleading, taking him to task, and though this might be a very honorable way to live your life as a bro, it’s a terrible idea for a writer. But this movie falls in line with the contemporary cult of likability and in doing so makes one of the most interesting writers of our generation so much less interesting — it turns him into an adorable baby panda, with the Lipsky character often staring at Wallace in wonderment as if DFW was some kind of bandana-wearing E.T. It’s ultimately a dangerous thing for readers and actors and filmmakers to look to writers for instruction on how to live, but The End of the Tour thinks it’s doing something noble by taking this idea seriously and buying into the self-help-guru, platitude-spouting David and ignoring the man of massive and severe complications.
Anyone here read this?
I attempted it and after 40 pages I got ridiculously sick of reading what seemed like an endless fucking line of metaphors for sizes. I know how small 10^-43 is without the author having to go on a needlessly long tirade about what that is equivalent of.
I just wanna know if it stops doing this or if I should just give up on the book, because there's no way I can handle even 200 more pages of this.
If you liked it you liked it. You shouldn't beat yourself up over it
>>7649438
Make your own decisions, manbaby
>>7649505
I'm asking if the book changes style; the only way I could make my own decision would be to read the whole thing. I don't want to do that if it's the same all the way through.
No recommendations, posting from phone edition
>What are you currently reading
>Which sff work do you hate the most
>Which are the five essential sff novels in your opinion
Old thread >>7617349
Science fiction and Fantasy are for kids.
>>7633250
Why were you so desperate to start a new thread that you'd make a shitty one from your phone when the old one hasn't hit the bump limit yet?
>>7633257
Obligatory pointless class where I get administration done and listen to prof preach about how this isn't high school
I've read Demian, and Siddhartha. I really enjoyed both of them, any recommendations for what to read next by Hesse? Or recommendations from other authors that might fit in the same vein?
bro there's another thread like two screens down
>>7650073
>>7650548
Shit, I only search him by name, thanks.
Searched* I am retarded today
Jukes Verne thread? What's your favorite book? I'm currently reading Journey to the Interior of the Earth and it's pretty fun. What did you enjoy by him?
>>7650414
Jukes Verne is a pretty cool guy. I liked 20,000 Feet Below The Ocean personally.
>>7650420
Love that one. Definitely follow it up with The Enigmatic Median.
The Wayback Machine
Why isn't /lit/ reading this series? It's really good, the author deserves more credit imo. The characters are fleshed out well, the pacing is nice, the dialogue is decent.
If I had to give it an honest rating 8/10, which is honestly pretty good for a new author. It has a sequel already and the author has said she's working on number 3.
I can't wait for the newest one, I think /lit/ will agree with me.
>>7650307
>Amber
>>7650307
okay Amber N. P. May's boyfriend
>I can't wait for the newest one, I think /lit/ will agree with me.
I have no reason not to agree that you can't wait for the newest one, so that's a pretty safe assumption.
I'm trying to read The Gutenberg Galaxy and it just seems like fucking nonsense. McLuhan's basic point (a medium such as writing is not simply a communication tool, but fundamentally changes the way we think and perceive independently of the actual written messages -- i.e. "the medium is the message" if you want to be an obscurantist cunt about it) is brilliant and I'm really interested in reading a good analysis of this stuff, but I don't think that The Gutenberg Galaxy actually offers that; mostly he just makes completely unsubstantiated (often outrageous) claims without any attempt to support them with evidence or reasoning, or even with an explanation of what the fuck the statement in question is even supposed to mean (his claim are frequently just plain incomprehensible). It's like he just jotted down whatever he thought sounded nice (supplied with countless quotes from countless authors, not seldom every bit as outrageous and/or incomprehensible as his own statements) without the slightest attempt at rigor or organization. I looked a bit in Understanding Media and it seemed equally nonsensical.
What I'd like is either secondary literature that makes sense of what he's saying (provided that he's actually saying anything at all, which I'm not so sure about) and why it's valid (again, provided that it actually is valid), OR other works analyzing the same subject (that is, the broad-ranging influence of media on thought, perception and culture) but in a comprehensible, intellectually rigorous manner. Does anyone know of something like that?
Secondary lierature is basically everywhere
Where have you been the last 50 years, you must be new
Of course there's secondary literature everywhere. I wasn't asking if secondary literature existed, I was asking for a certain type and quality of secondary literature (or alternative literature dealing with the subject better than McLuhan does).
>>7650010
I can familiarize with what you're saying on too many philosophers.
Was the ending of 1916 edition of The Mysterious Stranger Twain's own work or that of the posthumous editing?
I don't understand, why build such a long narrative and then blow it away like that? If humanity is flawed to the point where it is so absurd it might just be a dream, a fantasy, why care about it at all and construct the narrative? I don't understand.
Has someone read the original fragments? How different they are if they are different at all?
The ending is the same in the first and in the definite edition.
>>7650264
What do you think about it?
So definite edition is pretty much the same?
Writers who satisfy your autism.
I'll start
>Aristotle
>>7649785
Gass' utter contempt for the whole of humanity helps me feel less hollow. Though they're both just different ways to wither, being bitter is better than being empty.
>>7649785
Any analytical philosopher
>>7649785
Pynchon
>the introduction is 100 pages long
OMG! RELATABLE!
>>7645729
The worst, was trying to read the communist manifesto printed by penguin. It was literally 120 pages of introduction then the tiny manifesto itself.
>>7645729
>the thread is meta, ironic and belongs on Reddit
Was it suicide, and why if it was? Was it because he lost faith in his own philosophy?
No more riding the frequencies.
The dude was 103 years old what do you expect
>>7650240
Wat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Deleuze
>>7650229
Desde 1992, seus pulmões, afetados por um câncer, funcionavam com um terço da capacidade. Em 1995, só respirava com a ajuda de aparelhos. Sem poder realizar seu trabalho, Deleuze atirou-se pela janela do seu apartamento em Paris, em 4 de novembro de 1995. Seus seguidores consideraram seu suicídio coerente com sua vida e obra: "Para ele, o trabalho do homem era pensar e produzir novas formas de vida"
PT wiki, if you can understand portuguese.
Well just finished The Old Man and the Sea.
What was so special I don't get it.
You guys make books sound like orgasms but it was just a dude in a boat.
Do I just not understand literature? What was I supposed to get out of it?
>>7649931
hemmmingway was just a hack and everyone was memeing on you, tard.
>>7649938
What literature isn't a meme? Is it memes all the way down?
>>7649938
>hemmmingway was just a hack
What do you all think of this book?
Reading it right now, really enjoying it.
>>7649089
/tv/ here
the movie is better
>>7649098
I saw the movie first actually, still enjoying the book. Although I will admit I am envisioning it narrated by Johnny Depp still.
>>7649098
No it isn't