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Anyone else think the starter kit could use an update?
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yeah. pic related
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No "Electric Sheep..."
The movie was better, honestly.
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>>7653381
just stop posting it. I think the top 100 list we made last year is a good enough starter kit. you just have to look around for what book sounds best to you
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Goodreads Thread
https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2408134-sebastian
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Hello Sebastian. How has your life been like recently?
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Finally got around to Clockwork Orange. It was fine I guess. I feel like I'd have enjoyed it more if I were younger and the language was a bit gimmicky after the novelty wore off.
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>>7639450
>Hello Sebastian. How has your life been like recently?
still neeting
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What is the best way to read the Kama Sutra, considering I dont know, nor am willing to learn the original language in which it is written?
I know spanish and english, and am willing to learn mandarín and arab.
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Naked
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read it in braille with your wang
*looks for a high five*
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>>7661622
Dont read the Karma Sutra. Rather than sex tips, its more like a guide for outdated courting procedures.
Just get with the times and read men's magazines.
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Currently:
- Euclid - Elements
- Charles Mackay - Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
- Homer - Iliad
After:
- The Works of Archimedes translated by T.L. Heath
- Thorstein Veblen - The Theory of the Leisure Class
- Homer - Odyssey
- Nicolaus Copernicus - On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres
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Post what you're reading currently and after.
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Currently:
Gardener's Art through the Ages: A Global History
The Cossacks - Leo Tolstoy
Sophist - Plato
After Tolstoy and Plato:
Statesman - Plato
Ancient Rome - Baker
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>>7660428
In case you're not already doing it, make sure to read Homer all at once. Also I hope you enjoy Veblen; a cool book for sure.
>Currently
Appian
Roberts' "history of the world"
>Next
Sallust, Caesar, Dionysius
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I've put off reading this for a long time.
Is it even worth it?
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It's a meme book for meme people whose entire brains are composed of fucking memes.
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>>7657916
Well that doesn't really answer my question
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It's very short so why not. It's not great but still an "essential" work
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what books and editions should be read to understand Epicurus?
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>>7662959
In the last chapter of Zizeks "Trouble in Paradise" is an analyze of Nolans "Dark Knight" (particular about Bane) that might be helpful.
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>>7662963
*analyzation
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The Essential Epicurus
Then, On the Nature of Things by Lucretius
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How do you earn money as a writer? Curious if anyone here's had some success with publishing, freelance articles, etc...
The standards for op-ed pieces online at even the reputable news agencies don't look very high(other than political slant) and there's still the minefield of nepotism and politik to navigate when it comes to popular communities like the Hugos. Thoughts?
http://www.pw.org/literary_magazines
http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/
http://www.everywritersresource.com/topliterarymagazines.html
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blogs
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I'm a writer but the ad agency kind, not the kind that scores you points in hipster coffee shops.
I did freelance journalism for a while. That's viable-ish but you often have to come up with ideas for stories yourself... It takes a sincere interest in the beat you're covering to succeed at it.
Fiction?
I dunno man.
I'm inclined to call that a pipe dream or close to it. It won't happen without spectacular effort at relatively low pay.
I've heard of people doing the magazine and content hustle, the pay seems to max out at about 30 grand a year and that's working crazy hours. I'd honestly try my hand at getting a blog going before I'd bother with that kind of grind.
Basically, you REALLY have to love it, because the money won't be there, at least not at first.
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>>7662405
>How do you earn money as a writer?
For the most part, you don't.
Literary magazines are a massive circlejerk so unless you have an MFA and know a lot of people involved with magazines, you shouldn't even consider that as a money-making option.
What words are people fussy about pronouncing, in your experience?
I was once told to say S'n George for "St. George," not Saynt.
Eye-ther not Ee-ther for "either."
All-w'z not All-wayz for "always."
Ett not Ayt for "ate."
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>>7661976
No one. I don't surround myself with pedantic twats.
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>>7661976
>implying the nature of words matters outside of the context of reading and writing
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>>7661981
Surrounding myself with aunts was one of my poorer life choices.
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What's a good intro to philosophy book?
I'm currently reading Questions that Matter by Ed. L. Miller, but I was wondering if there was something better out there.
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I know it's a bit of a meme, but when it comes to philosophy, you really oughta start with the motherfuckin' Greeks, senpai.
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There's a few Complete Plato out there online, you have to start there, it's the basis. Then you can start and build column and maybe a roof if you're bold enough.
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>>7661967
anything by zizek
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is it advised to take your time with this or can i plow through it this weekend no problem
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The word is "plough" you fucking faggot.
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>>7661391
enuf of your shit, please vacate my thread.
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>>7661391
okay buddy
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>What's happening is part of a phenomenon I wrote about a couple of years ago when I was asked to comment on Rowling. I went to the Yale University bookstore and bought and read a copy of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing.
>But when I wrote that in a newspaper, I was denounced. I was told that children would now read only J.K. Rowling, and I was asked whether that wasn't, after all, better than reading nothing at all? If Rowling was what it took to make them pick up a book, wasn't that a good thing?
>It is not. "Harry Potter" will not lead our children on to Kipling's "Just So Stories" or his "Jungle Book." It will not lead them to Thurber's "Thirteen Clocks" or Kenneth Grahame's "Wind in the Willows" or Lewis Carroll's "Alice."
>Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.
>Our society and our literature and our culture are being dumbed down, and the causes are very complex. I'm 73 years old. In a lifetime of teaching English, I've seen the study of literature debased. There's very little authentic study of the humanities remaining. My research assistant came to me two years ago saying she'd been in a seminar in which the teacher spent two hours saying that Walt Whitman was a racist. This isn't even good nonsense. It's insufferable.
This was written more than 10 years ago. It's only getting worse. Why the FUCK would you study English/literature in college?
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Yes Bloom sensei!
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Bloom: boo hoo i'm an old cranky man and no one's reading the boring-ass books i like, i can't believe people are having fun reading stuff that makes them passionate how dare they :'(((((
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>>7662815
I'm sure thats how you genuinely feel
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Hey /lit/. Couple of weeks ago my girlfriend left me. I'm not taking it so well. Went to the doctor's and was diagnosed with Major Depression. Are there any books that you have found that have helped you through a similar situation? Or even a book that has brightened your outlook on life? I'm not a seasoned reader and I have very little sense of direction when it comes to choosing books. Help me /lit/, you're my only hope. I don't know how to hold these feels.
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I was reading Catcher in the Rye when I broke up. It made me feel less lonely. It even cheered me up.
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First of all, don't let them poison you with meds unless you literally can't make it out of bed. Second, I recommend Notes from the Underground so you can feel like you have some company in your misery. Also, don't worry; time really will sweep the feelings away. Some things you just have to endure.
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>>7661222
Thank you anon. Will go to the used book store and buy it if I don't already have it.
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Reminder that genre fiction and literary fiction is a false dichotomy.
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Thanks Seras
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>>7660936
It lies on a spectrum and people's tolerances vary between them
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youre right, it's a trichotomy
Literary Fiction, Genre Fiction, and Nonfiction
Thoughts?
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Mann is great. It's a comfy novel, reminds me of The Castle by Kafka, but much more erudite.
All the characters are pretty clear representations of different aspects of German society at the time Mann was writing it, but still fully-fleshed out.
Make sure to read Death in Venice first.
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>>7660746
Its excellent. Intriguing games with pace & time. At points it felt like it was slipping into dullness, but then Mann hits you with another incredible powerful & evocative section. I actually read Mann because I was interested in his influence on Mishima, which this more than illuminated.
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GOAT. Mann is a god tier author.
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Sup /lit/
If I start reading Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, what can I expect to learn?
I've never read any actual philosophy before so it's completely new to me, but I'm interested in reading into ancient greek philosophy and figured this would be a good place to start. I consider myself reasonably intelligent but I don't have as much knowledge as I'd like.
What order should I read their literature in? What's the best pace to read at? Again, quite interested in what I will actually learn or gain from reading them.
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Start with the pre-Socratics
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>>7659709
Skip the other two, Socrates' books are all you'll need
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>>7659709
>reading Socrates
In all seriousness though, you need at least a background of the presocratics: plato.stanford.edu/entries/presocratics/