I want to start reading Cicero's works. How should I start?
Start with the greeks, not the roman fags.
>>7667565
Nice meme
>>7667547
De Amicitia is as good a start as any.
I want to buy Beckett's "The Trilogy," but I'm not sure whether I should buy the compendium or each novel separately. I'll definitely save money buying the single volume but I'm not sure of the edition's quality, and carrying around and reading three books in-one seems clunky to me.
/lit/'s thoughts? Does anyone have pic related?
>>7667411
I bought the compendium myself from Amazon, partially because it saved me more money than buying each book separately, but you seem less certain about this than I am. For you, I'd suggest only buying the book in the trilogy that you most want to read, and then if you read and like that you can buy the other books in the trilogy. This way, you save money if you end up not wanting to read the rest of the trilogy. I've seen mixed responses towards Beckett's novels so you may not even like them all.
>>7667455
I'm interested in all of them, is the compendium comfortable to read? Is it printed well? I won't be sorry buying all it so long as the edition is good. It costs less than a single copy of Molloy.
>>7667411
Buy the Everyman's Library edition. It is the best I've seen if you are looking for the trilogy. I have it and love it. Their books are always quality.
>I read translations
It's like someone recommending an orange to you so you eat a lemon instead.
>i learn languages other than english
it's like you already have steak, but you decide to eat dogfood instead.
>not learning Russian, French and German for the literature
fuck spanish tho
Can we please stop with nonsense already? I will never learn russian or japanese in a level that someone would deem as acceptable to read literature. So should I ignore their works instead? You can't translate everything spot on, but then again The bible was not written down in English and neither was the communist manifesto and yet you all get the gist of it just fine.
Since sexuality exists in everything that humans do, will my characters always seem flat unless I'm writing smut?
tension is not smut but tension is everywhere in literature, smut itself is pretty flat
>>7667115
>since breathing is in everything humanity does, do my characters seem flat if I don't tell the audience they're doing it?
Sexuality is inherently assumed, don't be fooled by the meme-market of 50 Shades.
>>7667115
Yes. Do not forget to properly characterize every penis.
Why do you idolise this "tragic writer" lifestyle, /lit/? Why do you love the moustache man and hemingway, insanity, sadness, tragedy and the misunderstood artist? Is that what you want in your future? Crank out a few books, find nothing to fill the void, and off yourself?
I just don't get it.
>>7668500
speak for yourself, anon
those are marketing gimmicks created by the capitalist publishing industry...remember that speech where Hunter Thompson is like "I don't know if you guys want to speak as Hunter Thompson or 'Hunter Thompson' and like shoot off a gun and down some whiskey"
they need something to blame their lack of progress and success upon.
i have completed no works because i am sad, lonely, insane, misunderstood.
my works are not famous because i am misunderstood by the masses. if only the masses knew what a tortured soul i am.
truth is you just suck mang
More modern stuff like Rumi I know of but what about ancient stuff
I know there are one or two Persianists who browse this board.
But I can tell you even as a relative pleb that it's not much that truly survives from the Achaemenid, Arsacid, and even Sasanian periods. Most of what we know is mediated through Islamic civilisation, which subsumed the Persian (or the other way around, depending on your perspective; whole complex sometimes called Perso-Islamic).
I remember having to dredge huge sections of Ye Olde Persian writings from al-Tabari, who wove them together really frustratingly.
I think more Philhellenic stuff probably survives if only because it spread West, and I think (Nestorian e.g.) Christianity survives a bit better in the Sasanian records for the same reason. But again I don't know much here. I would be grateful if a Persiapro would explain a bit why the Philhellenic/neo-Persian empires didn't leave as much material. I know the Achaemenids were ruthlessly sacked in terms of their material culture, but is it just the case that they didn't foster as much intellectual writings? Is it an issue of archaeology or culture?
Interesting, although the Greek stuff survived THROUGH the Islamic caliphates- Aristotle was being studied in Baghdad long after it was forgotten in the west (St Augustine declared that curiostity acts like a page on the mind). Perhaps the fact that aristotle and Plato' works are (usually) areligious whereas early Persian writing was Zoroastrian (not even an Abrahamic religion) played a role in the loss of its literature under Muslim rule
I know Spengler claimed that the Aryans began first around 1400 B.C., then the Chinese and then Greece.
What sort of corroboration is he relying on?
What does /lit/ think of Frankenstein and Mary Shelley?
frankenstein is good. i didn't expect it from a woman writer.
She conquered the romantic era of literature. She's great
>husband- Percy Shelley
>mother- Mary Wollstonecraft
How can one family be so literarily based?
Ask someone who works at a library for the blind anything.
>>7668245
Are you blind?
>>7668248
Nope.
Do you ever mock or ogle the patrons knowing that they can't see you
What's the hidden meaning behind this book?
Vore is good.
Niggers and jews are bad news
Disclaimer: I didn't read this book
>>7665901
How the working man will eventually free himself from the ravenous all-consuming machine of capitalism.
Fans of this type of prose, whose works do you like? I'm partial to Krasznahorkai, Bernhard, Sebald, Bolaño in By Night in Chile. Who am I forgetting or not yet aware of? Help me out
kafka, beckett, then, when you've finished everything those two wrote, go ahead and kill yourself :-)
>>7665373
kek
read george eliot, de Quincey, Browning, and then kill urself.
listen guys—you're all retarded
Books that you could define with one adjective
Comfy
>>7664762
Angry
dissociated
>>7664791
Gimmicky.
What is your country's national epic?
Prose or poetry allowed. Must involve history and the perceived national character.
that's not an epic
I'm not sure if you're not Irish and sincere, or Irish and trolling very hard, OP. Either way, you're retarded.
Was L Ron Hubbard right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4gHpK4HSM
>>7663837
It wasn't so much that he was right but the people he copied were right.
I
I have met them at close of day
Coming with vivid faces
From counter or desk among grey
Eighteenth-century houses.
I have passed with a nod of the head
Or polite meaningless words,
Or have lingered awhile and said
Polite meaningless words,
And thought before I had done
Of a mocking tale or a gibe
To please a companion
Around the fire at the club,
Being certain that they and I
But lived where motley is worn:
All changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
II
That woman's days were spent
In ignorant good-will,
Her nights in argument
Until her voice grew shrill.
What voice more sweet than hers
When, young and beautiful,
She rode to harriers?
This man had kept a school
And rode our winged horse;
This other his helper and friend
Was coming into his force;
He might have won fame in the end,
So sensitive his nature seemed,
So daring and sweet his thought.
This other man I had dreamed
A drunken, vainglorious lout.
He had done most bitter wrong
To some who are near to my heart,
Yet I number him in the song;
He, too, has resigned his part
In the casual comedy;
He, too, has been changed in his turn,
Transformed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
III
Hearts with one purpose alone
Through summer and winter seem
Enchanted to a stone
To trouble the living stream.
The horse that comes from the road,
The rider, the birds that range
From cloud to tumbling cloud,
Minute by minute they change;
A shadow of cloud on the stream
Changes minute by minute;
A horse-hoof slides on the brim,
And a horse plashes within it;
The long-legged moor-hens dive,
And hens to moor-cocks call;
Minute by minute they live:
The stone's in the midst of it all.
IV
Too long a sacrifice
Can make a stone of the heart.
O when may it suffice?
That is Heaven's part, our part
To murmer name upon name,
As a mother names her child
When sleep at last has come
On limbs that had run wild.
What is it but nightfall?
No, no, not night but death;
Was it needless death after all?
For England may keep faith
For all that is done and said.
We know their dream; enough
To know they dreamed and are dead;
And what if excess of love
Bewildered them till they died?
I write it out in a verse--
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
>>7663542
Easter, 1916 is a poem by W. B. Yeats describing the poet's torn emotions regarding the events of the Easter Rising staged in Ireland against British rule on Easter Monday, April 24, 1916. The uprising was unsuccessful, and most of the Irish republican leaders involved were executed for treason. The poem was written between May and September 1916, but first published in 1921 in the collection Michael Robartes and the Dancer.
Interestingly, the date of the Easter Rising can be seen in the structure of the poem also: there are 16 lines (for 1916) in the first and third stanzas, 24 lines (for April 24, the date the Rising began) in the second and fourth stanzas, and four stanzas in total (which refers to April, the fourth month of the year).
this is my new favorite meme
"The love of Yeats for Maud Gonne MacBride, who was married to one of the participants, John MacBride, brought the events close to home."
Yeats is so humbled here that he pays homage to a man who beat the woman Yeats loved during drunken fits.
>You're in the club and this Slovenian Philosopher starts talking to your gf about ideology
What do you do?
>mfw my gf is a motorcycle
>>7664793
won't worry at all.
ask him for some coke, he's sure to have some