Tell me, /lit/: Is there any reason to finish a work that you know is utter trash?
I have 50 pages or so of a novella I'm working on, and I hate everything about it. The characters are stupid and disgusting, the setting makes no sense, the concept makes even less sense-I've also lost any sense of enjoyment in writing it, and find it a painful exercise.
>>7714951
so you edit it to be less shit
are you retarded
>The characters are stupid and disgusting, the setting makes no sense, the concept makes even less sense-
I want to read this.
>>7714956
You're not seriously implying all works are salvageable, are you?
I don't think you realize how bad this novella is. I'm so bored with it I've forgotten most of what I wanted to do with it anyway.
i dont know if requesting books is against this boards rules so if it is please let me know so i can delete this thread
im looking for any books, preferably realistic fiction no science fiction or fantasy about existential crisis or angst. any emotional subject matter will do
something i could relax to, but get lost in. the more thought provoking the better
and having a physical copy be easily obtainable would be a huge bonus
thanks in advance
also i dont have a related image so enjoy some art by Analia Saban
>>7714935
Paul Bowles
Comfiest anxiety inducing American writer
Let it Come down
the Sheltering Sky
the Spider's House
Delicate prey
Pages From Cold Point
>>7714955
>Comfiest anxiety inducing American writer
just what i am looking for thank you
art by Ryan McGennisken
Hey boys
1/4
How's my library?
2/4
3/4
patrish af
What are /lit/'s thoughts on Atlas Shrugged?
There are like 5 threads a day on this.
>>7713880
Well, the title is good. That's about it.
edgy libertarian nonsense/10
Share your favorite poem
I'll start. I know mine's cliche, bu the reason i started this thread was to find some new poetry.
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Mine's a long one so I guess I won't paste it.
It's Allen Ginsberg's 'The Lion For Real'
I find it easier to listen to than read -
https://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Ginsberg/SFSU-1959/Ginsberg-Allen_05_The-Lion-for-Real_SFSU_02-27-59.mp3
>>7713576
That's only part of a poem
http://wmjas.wikidot.com/nabokov-s-recommendations
Do you agree with him? Does he have a point? Why does he hate Dostoyevsky so much?
He sounds like a retard
He was memeing you dips
>>7712894
Balzac, Honoré de. Mediocre. Fakes realism with easy platitudes
Camus, Albert. Dislike him. Second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me. Awful.
Céline, Louis-Ferdinand. Second-rate. A tense-looking but really very loose type of writing
Maupassant, Guy de. Certainly not a genius.
Dostoevsky, Fyodor. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his reactionary journalism seriously.
The Double. His best work, though an obvious and shameless imitation of Gogol's "Nose."
The Brothers Karamazov. Dislike it intensely.
Crime and Punishment. Dislike it intensely. Ghastly rigmarole
Nabokov : shit tier genius
>tfw have come to a point where I can only jack off to written erotic stories that specifically cater to my fetishes
>tfw there are no stories out there that really do, and the ones that do are terribly written
i never asked for this, bros
>>7712765
Describe fetishes, and I may be able to recommend some smut.
>>7712765
Stop jerking off every day you fucking fetishist dumbass. inb4 you're that vorefag who went ballistic the other night
how bout you start fucking people, son.
you should see my diary lol
>Say it to Father will you I will am my fathers Progenitive I invented him created I him Say it to him it will not be for he will say I was not and then you and I since philoprogenitive
What did he mean by that?
He was desperately communicating that he was a hack. Nobody listened.
>>7714734
nabby pls
>>7714728
I think an approach looking for concrete meaning is misguided. Stream of consciousness is based on the way our thoughts actually work, which in actuality, aren't always perfectly coherent, especially under stress.Quentin committed suicide the same day he had this thought.
That being said it's Quentin referring to an independent thought kernel, Father, and revolving associated thoughts and concepts around that sphere. Will you/ I will is clipped remembered dialogue, fathering his father is some freudian bullshit probably having to do with his inability to reconcile his love for caddy and his place in the family. Quentin is in a permanent struggle for dominance, one that he ultimately loses. Not just vs. time, but vs. his father and his sister's suitors. He loses. This thought clip is a reflection of that conflict in the half thought forms that flit through you in every moment. Philoprogenitive, meaning to be more successful in the fathering of offspring, is an extension of this. He wants to be more than his father, when ultimately, he will be nothing.
That's what I think. I read this about a year ago.
Was it rape?
>>7713978
yes, anally and vaginally iirc
Always is.
He rapes his sister, Pheobe
Is he right? Is the King James Bible the only mainstream translation that isn't awful? Reading his introduction to his Genesis translation, he certainly makes a strong case for it, critiquing both Christian and Jewish translations. He makes out that Biblical prose style (Biblical verse style is quite different) is similar to Cormac McCarthy's prose, and the King James is definitely the closest to that. He also says the King James is much, much more uniform in translation for things like "seed", which is vital to seeing symmetry and allusion in the Bible.
He says the King James also has a lot of errors and a lesser understanding of Hebrew than modern Jewish and Christian translators, but he says it is better because the translators didn't try to "translate context" as much into it, and more importantly because he says they had a better grasp of English.
Here is Alter's compared to the King James
>and she came down to the spring and filled her jug and came back up. And the servant ran toward her and said, "Pray, let me sip a bit of water from your jug." And she said, "Drink, my lord," and she hurried and tipped down her jug on one hand and let him drink. And she let him drink his fill and said, "For your camels, too, I shall draw water until they drink their fill." And she hurried and emptied her jug into the trough, and she ran again to the well to draw water and drew water for all his camels.
This is the same passage from the King James
>and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up. And the servant ran to meet her, and said, Let me, I pray thee, drink a little water of thy pitcher. And she said, Drink, my lord: and she hasted, and let down her pitcher upon her hand, and gave him drink. And when she had done giving him drink, she said, I will draw water for thy camels also, until they have done drinking. And she hasted, and emptied her pitcher into the trough, and ran again unto the well to draw water, and drew for all his camels.
It's the bible, who cares?
Yes, I agree with him. KJV is miles ahead despite its age - which, in itself, is probably a benefit rather than a negative. People recommend the ESV or even the NIV - nonsense. It distorts the Word beyond belief. It adopts all the gender neutral crap to satisfy those who will never read the Bible, and as that comparison shows, is far uglier and literal - not what the Bible is.
Though whether we can really know if it is a very good translation is beyond most apart from academics who dedicate all their time to it.
>>7713764
Typical redditor. This is the foundation of Western literature. Christian or not, you ought to appreciate it. If not, get off this board.
>>7713796
The King James Version was written for the common people of the time. The translators only used a limited vocabulary so it would be understood. It isn't the most technically accurate text, but it is the best sounding.
What are some books you started reading but never finished?
for me it is the bible, dune, the karamazov brother and the one I'm reading now (does that count?)
The Bible, Atlas Shrugged, Gravity's Rainbow
and nothing of value was lost
American Psycho. I would've finished it, but the hardrive I had the pdf on failed, and it was shit anyway. I might still finish it at some point just to say I did, but it's garbage.
For whom the bell tolls, hermingway.
What translation is best?
>>7712131
Most of the famous ones should suit you well. Dostoevsky is much more about ideas than his language, so a lot of what he's about survives translation.
>>7712131
P & V
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V
>>7712139
This
Can we get a slam poetry thread going?
i watched thta movie after consuming an eight of psychedelic mushrooms it wasnt as good as i remmber as a kid but newman from seinfeld is always funny
SOMETIMES I feel so mad I could single out attackers
As if the world were small enough that every issue were black AND white.
SOMETIMES being a victim is so hard, so so hard,
that I need to EXPRESS myself not try and KILL myself.
SOMETIMES I use other devices than "REPETITION"
or "SLANT RHYMES" or "CLUNKY ASSOCIATIONS"
but THIS TIME I don't care. THIS TIME it's not for standing OVATIONS.
Oppression, recession.
Black lives, white values
White boys suck
Black men matter
Stuck in a privileged society
By white proprietary
Peace
I have an issue with fiction. I was taught in school to not think of the protagonist as the author. However, it seems that in most works of fiction, the work is highly autobiographical.
How does one read fiction, knowing that the author is clearly writing about themselves, yet not picture the author in the story?
>Currently reading A Farewell to Arms
>Hemmingway
>not lying to you about his sexuality
any autobiographical work has an unreliable narrator.