What are some of the best historical novels out there, /lit/?
CEASE TO EXIIIIIIIST GIVING MY GOOOD BYYYYYYYEEES
>>7817769
HEY.
BEEN TRYING TO MEET YOU.
Tranny relationship of the three faggots.
There's something about
>narrative
that I just can't get
It's the conflicts, the decisions that I just don't really get going around me
I can pull off poetry but nobody cares about poetry except for poets, so how the fuck do I turn writing fiction into a skill like literally every other talent? You can't get a teacher for this because it's just so fucking deified
>>7817724
You need to understand what conflict really entails: it's a dramatic battle of interests. Conflict doesn't emerge abritrarily, it's a total organic extension of the contradictory nature of the subjective human psyche and personality. Take for instance just a man. This man needs to be interesting. He is cynical about life, dark in his outlook but positive in his reaction. He wishes to be kind to others but is sharply critical. He jogs and smokes. He wants to be a happy banker, but his problems are only emotional. He's an atheist, but craves the certainty of a religion. He is in despair, his inner conflict is rich and it's from that vitality that the I interest of his character and plot spring forth.
Now introduce a woman. She is lonely but scared of rejection. She is lazy but rich. Beautiful to others; self-conscious of her "wide" nose. She has no job, did a charity gig but despised it. Non-smoker, fatist and habitual cocaine user.
Woman and man meet. They want something from each other at each others expense. They do not want to give up what the other wants. The contradictions deepen, the reader, drugged up on the empathy of the two peoples, seeks a resolution.
This is what interest is, to me at least: the revealation and subduing of paradox, a thing we hate and admire. The best teacher of what exactly entails what interest be more intersting is, sadly, life experience. This is not the only way to shape a good narrative, but a good way to shape it regardless.
>>7817749
>Not OP
This is really good advice. Thank you.
>>7817944
Thanks for thanking me. If your unsure of co contradict ions, look at yourself and your family. We're made of them.
Why didn't Bloom come to America?
>>7817239
The Jewish dad or the son? Either way, why would he?
>>7817241
Bloom finds himself oppressed by the English for being too Irish, beleaguered by the Irish for being too Jewish, and haunted by the ghost of his Jewish grandfather for being too Goyische.
Immigration of both Jews and Irishmen was exceptionally common at the turn of the 20th century. My own ancestors, members of both those nations, emigrated to Philadelphia around the time Ulysses is set. Bloom's mind constantly turns to the United States, especially New York, a city which he mentions in nearly every chapter.
So why not leave the island?
>>7817239
They wouldn't let him in since he's not white.
A girl once asked me what's the one book I would bring with me if I ever got stuck on a deserted island. I said the World Almanac, because it has everything I'd ever need to know. She said I was being autistic. She said pick something else, a real book, so I said the complete works of Shakespeare. She said you can't do the complete works of someone because that would be cheating. I said I knew, which is why I had picked the World Almanac. The World Almanac rules. It has everything you ever need to know.
What would you pick?
"How to build a raft"
>>7817170
Never read it. Is it any good?
This question gets asked a lot, but it's so easy. The answer is The Dictionary. Other books have some of the words, but The Dictionary? It's got em all.
>gives me the false hope that I will be relevant in the world someday
>allows me to project ideal parent figures in my characters and watch them interact
>excuse for being a NEET
>accessible way to at least leave something for the world
>allows me to thrust my own emotional problems into people through depressive shit narrative
>makes me fantasize about having at least an income to pay back everyone who I screwed over at some point because fell for iago's lies
And you, /lit/? What is the cynical nihilistic truth behind your literature?
It's fun :)
>>7817074
>2016
>still writing for fun
>>7817074
>still falling for the "fun" meme
Nothing is fun in the world, Anon.
You just tolerate the awfulness in it a bit better.
When did you "grow up" in tastes? What was the last YA novel you read? How long did you spend on genre fiction before getting into real literature?
Pic obviously not related, just got memed into reading his """masterpiece""".
>>7816892
I don't think I was ever into YA as a whole. The last YA book I read was this "Fat Vampire" thing I saw in the library a few years ago because it looked amusing. Most of the things I read were genreshit for 5 years before I got bored of reading Stephen King and Nora "JD Robb" Roberts.
>>7816892
I read whatever I want t.b.h. be it literature, a comic or YA pulp
>>7816892
i read ya until i was 12, then i stopped reading until highschool, when i started reading lit
Which version of Moby Dick should I buy?
all depends on how much you like whales t b h
get the regular one if you really like whales, get the condensed one if you could live without them
>>7816980
I wouldn't even think of a 'condensed' one. I am referring to footnotes, introduction, etc.
>>7816980
kek
What do girls read?
Text I would assume
>>7816059
Our minds, so they can torment us to their utmost.
They read you like a book.
I need recommendations of books with interviews, like interview with the vampire but less pleb. Also books about suicide.
When he comes, the visitor
Curious, and asks you
Then tell him, that you don't collect stamps
You don't take colorful pictures
You don't raise cacti
That you don't have a home
A television
A houseplant
That you don't know
Why you sit and write
Unwilling, because it doesn't give you any pleasure
That you still haven't found out
The point of life, even though you're old
That you've loved but insufficiently
That you fought but with timid arms
That you were at home at many places
But can't call any of them your home
That you seek death and fear it
That you cannot name another example than this:
Still open
>>7815596
I'm Not Stiller (sort of?)
Guy gets arrested and has to prove that he's not the guy they're looking for so he goes on to recount his story.
Maybe not exactly the most relevant answer but bumping because I would like an answer as well OP
Emil Cioran writes about suicide often. New Gods has a section on it.
>wage cuck job
>part time
>working 45 hours next week
How the fuck do you guys find time to read in your lives? Unless you're all neet of course. Every single time I'm off work now, I just wanna lay back and recharge.
there's 168 hours a week
allow 8 x 7 = 56 for sleeping
45 for work
that still leaves you 67 hours to read
spend less time shitposting on 4chan, staring at nothing on the computer, watching shitty tv, etc., and you'll find plenty of time to read
>not recharging through books
pleb
I work 30~ hours a week, I'm in 10 hours of garbage fucking coursework I don't care about at all a week, which entails another 5-10 hours of homework basically, and I'm on my awful commute 12+ hours per week, all while trying to write a fucking Master's thesis.
I don't find time. I hate my life.
How do you deal with the moral dilemma of knowing that any kind of work you do for someone is inherently exploitative, and that you need money to survive?
What do you do after enlightenment?
>inb4 before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water
I want to evolve on my spiritual path but i feel like meditation is the only thing that will help me in life. There is no amount of knowledge that would add to my situation is there?
>>7815092
I already do that actually.
I'm NEET so i have all the time in the world to read books, go on walks in nature, drink tea, paint, meditate, read books and poems and like you said browse 4chins
>inb4 mad wageslaves lel
Read Energy Work by Robert Bruce.
you don't do
that's the point of enlightenment
you no longer do
questions are asked and you answer and that's it since obviously you can't ignore people but you no longer exist for the self
The ides of March are come, /lit/
and so have i
>>7814872
HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME
HE WAS MY FRIEND
FAITHFUL AND JUST TO ME
>tfw full time work will continue to drain every bit if your energy and destroy your writing dreams
>Save up a few grand
>Quit job
>Go to third world country for 3 months and spend the entire time writing.
>>7814394
it's what pinecone did
or, maybe he had a rich dad...
>>7814394
Ive already done the first two steps and am currently at step three I suppose, except that im a native to slavshit eastern europe and have yet to write anything more than 500 words
My girlfriend just dumped me. I also just finished Heart of Darkness.
What book should I read next? I want something that will inspire me to get up off my ass and get out there and not be depressed and fall into self doubt for half a year like I did last time.
Reading isn't going to help you. Just find someone else to attach to. It seems quite easy as I have observed.
the young hitler i knew
A Farewell To Arms
You might find out you weren't actually in love and scare you away from isolating into women.
I love reading Pynchon stoned. I pretty much only smoke weed if I'm going to be reading Pynchon. I read the majority of Gravity's Rainbow stoned and it was an unbelievable experience - the prose was insane. I feel I understood it as well as I wanted to for my first read through, as well.
I know Vineland isn't as good, but I'm trying to read Pinecone chronologically. V. and GR are some of the best books I've read written post 1950's.
I find that Tommy P. makes more sense if I'm high.
I'm calling bullshit on this. Pynchon's prose is like the most unaesthetic thing ever. His narratives are what make him interesting, and I really doubt they can be appreciated while stoned.
>muh enlightening drug meme
Read some poetry on acid instead
Skip to Mason & Dixon. It's the only thing he's written that's as good as V or GR. Against the Day is pretty solid too but I haven't finished it. Maybe check out Tristan Shandy or Barth's Sot-Weed Factor (not actually about weed).