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I have a strange request. I've never been able to get sci-fi in any medium. I find that the settings are usually too nonsensical, like Star Wars or too heavily explained, like Star Trek.

That being said, as a kid I loved the setting and tone of the old television series, Batman Beyond. It was dark, clean and most of the technology was unexplained but easy to accept.

I know this isn't exactly /lit/ but does anyone have any books that are similar to this?
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I have no idea, but that's an excellent show. Take the bump, my friend.
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>>7971597
It actually holds up pretty well today. They were really onto something with that series.
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>>7971586
>kid
If TAS wasn't the batman you watched as a kid then you're still a kid.

So /lit/, let's talk about those philosophy books you read and found funny or generally enjoyable as pieces of writing regardless of the pleasure derived from its philosophical content.

Mine
>Spinoza's Ethics, especially the Appendix to Part 1 - reads like Gorgias 2: Pantheistic Bogaloo

>The Birth of Tragedy, which I've genuinely found more poetic than Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Nietzsche's metaphors were far, far better than what they became. Just think about the part about the Apollinean epic, holy shit.

>Cyclonopedia because really, it's an Iranian dude raving about Deleuze and Lovecraft in a semi-novelistic form. What's not to like? The fact I was able to use his concepts of Taqiyyah and Cthulhoid Ethics to affabulate and impress a professor in an exam just makes it better.
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Bump? No one gives a shit about fun in philosophy?
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Nicolas Gomez Davila
He wrote almost only aphorisms.

http://don-colacho.blogspot.de/?m=1
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>>7971536
>not knowing how greentext works

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>books/literature shoved down our throats as the greatest and holiest of entertainment, storytelling, etc
>not allowed to enjoy movies or games or music or anything without someone claiming its not as good as books
>get into reading
>read a bunch of different classics and recommendations
>its all a bunch of cucks who couldnt get laid, hate movies or other forms of entertainment for taking their revenue, and basing the story off their own miserable lives no one gives a shit about

I fell for the book meme
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Now you know what kind of person you really are.
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forgot to add
>most of it is losers grasping for people to agree with their moral standpoint or religion
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>>7971402
someone who realized books fell behind all other medium a long time ago?

every other book i pick up bitches about movies or something.

and theres nothing particularly enlightening as book lovers and english teachers would like you to believe. just "hears a retelling of my shitty life and why i couldnt get laid or paid"

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If someone could give me some insight, that would be great. I've been smoking marijuana for about a year, first as a method to cure chronic nausea from a disorder I will not go into, but then evolving the use into one of spirituality. For thousands of years people have been smoking this herb to cleanse the mind and obtain a sense of calmness, meditation and possibly enlightenment. I have recently been meeting with a psychic spiritual adviser, whom told myself that marijuana is "not from God" and is used purely for control and confusion. Yet, she said alcohol is from God because Jesus made and drank wine. Why do Rasta associate marijuana with God, then, for example? Rasta believe that the herb is a direct connection to God, delivering insight into their lives. This isn't the only people or group of faith who used cannabis as a method of cosmic connection. There is something to this plant that scares people. Is there still a stigma, and if there is, is that all? Who is to believe? Do I discontinue my use?
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>>7971239
I recommend 12 cc's of college education, with training in false dichotomy and not listening to bullshits and smoking pot and thinking you're enlightened outside of a culture which has such beliefs and traditions.
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I'm a daily user.

I'd recommend giving it up for a while and going out and meeting people. After a while, the way that everything seems "profound" eventually goes away and you're back where you started. There are no shortcuts in life, and drugs are not a shortcut to spiritual enlightenment. You're gonna have to slug it out like the rest of us.
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>>7971239
>Do I discontinue my use?

Yes. In fact, you should stop using your lungs all together.

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This shit made me depressed for days
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lmao I've been depressed for years and haven't read that book
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The Sun Also Rises made me feel things. A Farewell to Arms didn't make me feel anything except bewilderment towards Hemingway's dialogue and characterization.
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>>7971304
man just reading the summary of the sun also rises makes me depressed

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DUDE
WEED
LMAO
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Is it true that this guy actually went to rehab for weed?
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He went to rehab for irony
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>>7973043
he went to rehab because he had no discernible talent

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What's more important
The need justifies the end Or we stick to our principles and values no matter what is our goals in life because we all gonna die after all and what's the point of not sticking to our values
What do you think /lit/
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Also glad to see your recommendation on books about this subject
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>>7970796
ask yourself how we benefit from him deleting the thread and adding a token "books for this feel?"

I've been gone for a while and honestly it looks like /his/ cleaned this place up pretty well
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>>7970791
bump for interest

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Could i read Aquinas without reading entire bible?
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>>7970413
Yes.
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>>7970413
Yes.
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>>7970413
Yes.

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am i about to get memed?
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I thought it was alright.
It's good if you let it slide by considering the fact that it was unedited
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fantastic. one of my favorite books. bolaño is my favorite author, this was my first work by him.
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>>7970069
>>7970088
i heard there were some boring parts on the longer side. is that true??

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I am creatively bankrupt...I can't create a story to save my life...

It always ends up being a complete rip off, or something from my life.
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>>7969271
Original thoughts don't exist, you think in a language inherited from others and you think thoughts that you have learned from your culture.

Just take it easy, friend.
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>>7969271
>ripoffs can't save lives
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>>7969271
Don't worry about originality. Just learn to have fun writing.

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>owning both new and used copies in a series
>often listening to music while reading
>usually can't read for more than ~1 hour at a time before getting distracted or bored
>always lay down while reading when I can help it
>reads around a half dozen books concurrently
>can't find "that niche" to read all the classics of -- my interests and tastes are all over the place

(pic unrelated)
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reading the same eleven books over and over

no, i'm not ashamed of that. fuck every other book.
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>>7970680
Which eleven books you read every year?
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>>7969154
>>always lay down while reading when I can help it
what wrong with that?

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What did /lit/ think of the Series of Unfortunate Events?
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>>7969152
I enjoyed it.
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>>7969152
I liked it when I was a kid, much better plots and settings than HP. I regret stopping at book 10 tho.
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Best children's series.

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>on page 100 of Nicholas Nickleby
>haven't read it for days because it's so boring
>haven't read anything for days
>can't give up because people will think I'm a pleb if I haven't read it
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>>7968829
there are people in the world who are dying of starvation
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>>7968840
thanks, mommy. you're right. i'll drink my milk.
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>>7968829
>struggling this much just to gain the approval of a bunch of irrelevant fags rather than dedicating yourself to your own interests
Lmao why even live? Don't worry about people thinking you're a pleb, it's already too late for that.

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Which book on the pre-Socratics should I get? These are the ones I'm considering:

>Philosophy Before Socrates by Richard D. McKirahan
>Early Greek Philosophy by Jonathan Barnes
>The First Philosophers: The Presocratics and Sophists by Robin Waterfield
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I really liked Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
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>>7968581
First philosophers is a great intro with helpful annotations and a structure that quickly becomes comfortable, although I would recommend reading the fragments before Waterfield's commentary/synopsis so you can actually explore a little on your own before being spoon-fed.

Have you read much philosophy? If this is your first step then don't sweat these guys too much. You won't really be able to appreciate why their works are as significant as so many people say they are, so just get through them. Ideally you'll return to them later (at which point you may want to try a different edition) and see them in a new light.
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>>7968604
I've taken a scattershot approach to philosophy, and I've now decided to go back and read stuff in chronological order (roughly).

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I've read this last month, and even though not much has stuck with me, I can't get over that part where Augustine talks about watching acts and getting a vicarious enjoyment out of the pity he felt for the characters rather than the pity he should feel for his fellow man.

I suppose it got me thinking about entertainment in general, and whether or not what we /lit/izens are doing is escapism. I mean, at this point, most of us have so many books that are worth reading, that we could read all day long and never stop.

I guess most people would agree that playing a video game all day or binging something shitty like anime/manga is escapism. But is reading philosophical/religious/political works all day long all that different? Or just going to places where all you do is discuss theoretical things that are never put to any practical use?

So, I guess I have three questions:

1. How do you really differentiate between when you're reading something to become a better person, and when you're reading as escapism with the excuse that you're trying to get "ready"?

2. Do you think that if Augustine were living today he would consider all our philosophical debates and endless reading lists an egocentric waste of time?

3. In what virtuous way could we pursue self-betterment through reading?
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>>7968557
1. I only read philosophy or lit with value regarding personal virtue, this way, if I move from reading for knowledge to reading as escapism, I'm setting my memory up for a more successful rereading in the future.

2. Yes, I think most of the ancient philosophers wouldn't understand the point of philosophy if everyone accepts that good can't be defined.

3. Take notes while you read. If you're reading something too easy to take notes on, or you're just robotically copying text, you should probably grab a different book.

I'm really interested in Augustine, what works have you read by him? After I finish cicero I wanna give him a try.
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>>7968557
These are plebeian questions, but I'm bored, so here you go.

>1. How do you really differentiate between when you're reading something to become a better person, and when you're reading as escapism with the excuse that you're trying to get "ready"?

When what I'm reading has substance behind it, sparks creativity, broadens my understanding of myself or human nature, or motivates me to better myself I feel satisfied.

When what I'm reading messages an appetite, such as lust, hate, fear, egoism, curiosity, etc.. Without giving me an understanding of the appetite in itself I feel empty and unsatisfied.

>2. Do you think that if Augustine were living today he would consider all our philosophical debates and endless reading lists an egocentric waste of time?

No, (considering his enlightened conception of the mind of god) he probably has a mindset much like my own which glorifies a broad understanding, and today we have an endless bounty of knowledge.

>3. In what virtuous way could we pursue self-betterment through reading?

Meditation/adding the concepts to our understanding thus broadening awareness -- and this in order to extract greater richness from our everyday experience. Also to purify the mind with a clear understanding of the self, and human nature -- thus becoming intelligence, love, and beauty.
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>>7968557
You've touched on a fascinating point that crops up only rarely in ancient authors: condemnation of the pseudo-philosophers who turn to "learning" as an excuse for indolence, instead of for the purpose of actually living well.

Now obviously "living well" depends on knowing how you would go about doing so. Ultimately I think it's a personal judgment, in that you have to be honest with yourself regarding the worth of your reading. I tend to consider /lit/ too light on nonfiction, but personal preference and individual desires regarding what you want to get out of your readings are too diverse for me to be able to pass judgment on others. I think the ancients would expect us to at some point get off our asses and go do something with what we've learned; men who studied were praised, but only when they moved on to practical applications and used their knowledge to better themselves, the state, etc.

>>7970415
What have you read/are you planning to read of Cicero?

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