Favorite parts?
bananas, shiteating, sentient lightbulb
the end of theTchitcherine/Enzianplot
>>8012978
also the part with the linguistic bodies exchanging pranks and the Kirghiz light
>burning desire to express something
>Will never be eloquent or smart enough to express it well
>something
>>8012941
Guess I exemplified it pretty well in the first line
>>8012932
You've expressed your frustration with your lack of eloquence just fine. "I can't write shit, so hear me out while I go on about it" is a well used, though far from exhausted trope in modern fiction. Have at it.
P.S. I was just about to forget to call you a dumb frogposter, as is my duty and your fate.
Are John Green's books and ones like them (Diary of a Wimpy Kid etc) just a retelling of the kind of romance-centre books featuring oppressed female outsiders as their protagonists (Jane Eyre etc)?
In a lot of older books, the kind written by Bronte et al., there's a shy, innocent girl who gets overlooked (often due to not being very pretty) and treated badly by those around her. The girl usually falls in love with a mysterious male stranger who is assertive and eccentic and who is attracted to her despite her lack of confidence or social status. The guy is often referred to as Prince Charming or a Dark Mysterious Stranger.
In John Green and a lot of other contemporary YA books there's a shy, innocent guy who gets overlooked (often due to not being very pretty) and treated badly by those around him. The guy usually falls in love with a mysterious female stranger who is assertive and eccentric and who is attracted to her despite her lack of confidence or social status. The girl is often referred to as a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
Have these modern writers simply subverted a traditional plot mainstay in order to appeal to a generation of beta white males raised by single mothers, appealing to their self-pity and need for affection with the promise of an Other who will one day swoop in and validate their worth?
>>8012830
Jane Eyre is oppressed by her evil guardians, etc.
>>8012824
>In John Green and a lot of other contemporary YA books there's a shy, innocent guy who gets overlooked (often due to not being very pretty) and treated badly by those around him. The guy usually falls in love with a mysterious female stranger who is assertive and eccentric and who is attracted to her despite her lack of confidence or social status. The girl is often referred to as a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
consider to watch anime lol, a shy guy often gets a whole harem of such girls at once there
so, with the crisis of masculinity we have guys who wait for their princess on a white horse in the towers nearby to the towers of girls who wait for such a white horsed prince
i think you misunderstand jane eyre though, the girl there is pretty strong willed
p.s. also you forgot to change her to him here when you copied the line from the previous paragraph
>and who is attracted to her despite her lack of confidence or social status.
>>8012855
I don't think it's so much a crisis of masculinity as the portrayal of meek, beta males as virtuous and deserving of both pity and special attention.
I'm reading Looking for Alaska right now and it's so unbelievably retarded I'm just hoping the protagonist gets put in his place for being so faggy.
He routinely mocks people who like sports, who work out, who are popular and so on while pointing out on every page how skinny and pale and unassertive and friendless and intelligent etc he is, despite the fact that these features (or lack thereof) still make people want to befriend him and be around him and even want to date him (Lara). Right now Alaska, who has made every move so far in getting to know him and bringing him out of his shell, has asked him to stay behind at school over Thanksgiving and they're currently laughing together while drinking wine by the school playing field. I suspect he's going to get cucked or something pretty soon but if he gets her I'll be pretty annoyed.
>"it's picaresque"
>>8012819
>long words r hard
>>8012819
it's "a picaresque" you dumb fuck
kill yourself
>>8012822
if you can't say what you think using Anglo-Saxon words only you're a bad writer
Did a book ever make you cry? Like properly cry?
This has never happened to me, to the point I don't think it is a real thing. Am I autistic or is everyone too sensitive?
A daily reminder that some people are just that sensitive. It's a real thing, believe it or not.
End of The Red and The Black, Brothers Karamazov and some middle parts of Euripides' Iphigenia at Aulis did it for me. I think it's more a quality of longer books, as you get more involved into the story and the fictional universe.
I've never cried from a book or a movie that I remember. I get very emotionally invested in them but knowing that it's just a narrative kind of disconnects me from it.
Music, on the other hand, seems more like something amplifies your emotions than something that stands on its own. Hospice by The Antlers is honestly the only media of any form that has ever made me cry.
Have books ever given you a boner?
Lolita all the way
Yes. What the fuck do you think "bibliophile" means?
The sex scenes in Illuminatus! Always ended with me jerking off
Do you hoard, /lit/? Do you buy books without thinking?
I thought I didn't have that problem because I make sure to read of my fiction books (sooner or later, but I always finish them).
I recently got a new interest and want to get a whole bunch of textbooks to get familiar with the subject as much as possible, and I fear that most of them will end up being dust collectors.
What do you do in a situation like this?
>>8012758
only buy upon completion
No, I only buy physical copies when:
1) It's a philosophy/technical book that I will need to annotate stuff
2) I can't find a decent .epub or ,mobi on the internet
3) The e-book I have has a shit translation or shit diagramation
God bless, Bibliotik.
What are some of the most hilarious books /lit/ has read?
Once I got the bus out of the lobby and back on the road, all my passengers started criticizing the way I had been driving. Everybody's an expert. The kids in the back gave me the worst time. There's something about being in the back that brings out the worst in people. They were really making fun of me, and getting some pretty good laughs at my expense. I hollered over my shoulder, with growing anger, that if they didn't quit being so funny at my expense, if they didn't start making their humor more generic, I was going to pull over, make everybody walk home, call everybody's parents, blow the damn bus up and set fire to the world. This chilly prospect didn't bother the kids, who thought it was a lot more interesting evening than they had planned, but it greatly alarmed some of the older passengers, who started trying to get off the bus again, even though we were going over 50mph. I had to tilt the bus up on its side wheels to get them to slide back more or less into their seats. Then I had to deal with all the fake injuries, and spend 10 or 15 minutes saying soothing things like 'snap out of it' and 'you're not hurt' and 'please, god, don't let him die' until everybody on the bus had calmed down again. These are the kinds of things a bus driver has to deal with.
their autobiographies
>>8012638
their they're in there chairs
Are the old timey greats such as Chaucer, Shakespeare, Cervantes, Dickens, austen, etc proof that consumption of art does not correlate with production, which means that academia-publishing-media industrial complex and its associated pseudo-intellectual hangers on are wrong when they tell you that you're retarded for not spending shitloads of time buying books and reading them and paying tonnes of money (and time) """studying""" at universities?
>>8012587
all of these people you listed were well read and educated.
you think they didn't read a whole lot?
>>8012587
>Thinking Chaucer wasn't well read
Have you read anything he wrote? He drops references to French, Italian, and Latin(both Roman and translated from Greek) works constantly.
Are there some good /lit/ sites online where you have something good to read, be it reviews news or anything not related to cultural marxism or memery or both?
http://www.openculture.com/
http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/
http://mindfulpleasures.blogspot.com/
http://posledevedesetgodina.blogspot.com/
>>8012644
ne jedi govna picko usrana
thanks for the mid two links though
Hey /lit/ first time poster here. Recently my girlfriend and I got into a fight when I mentioned that feminism was stupid and she went crazy and threatened to tell my parents that I was hitting her after it got pretty heated. After a couple days I settled down and understood that I probably don't know that much about feminism and I promised that I would do some research on the issue.
I had a look at the book catalog but there wasn't anything there so I need some books to read, thanks.
>>8012544
>expecting us to believe you have a gf
>>8012544
personally i would break up with a person who blackmailed me over a feminism dispute
>threatened to tell my parents that I was hitting her
This is all you need to know about feminism. Tell your girlfriend to shove it.
Can someone provide me with some secondary literature dealing with Nietzsche's perception of evil? I'm especially interested on why he prefers abandoning the concept of good and evil for good instead of actually reflecting on the possibility for a radical evil (as an entity) to exist within the world and human nature, and the implicatons of this point of view
>>8012466
>okay guys, instead of recognizing that there are serious flaws in the idea of separating things into good and evil things, let's just double-down on it instead. We'll call it radical.
I wonder...
>>8012472
not personally saying that there are no serious flaws in that idea, but it has been a central idea in philosophy for a great many centuries, and some great philosophy (especially kant) has materialized around that whole dichotomy. Just wondering about Nietzsches argument as to why that is a stupid and useless dichotomy, and what those arguments apply for morality and society
>>8012466
The long and the short of it: Good and evil are just perceptions. There is no such thing as a moral action, only a moral perception of an action. Circumstance and tradition can make even some of the most evil acts acceptable.
For example in Britain there was a case where a bunch of stranded sailors ended up eating a cabinboy which gave them the strength to survive until they were rescued. The courts determined that anyone would have done what they did in their situation, but sentenced them to hang anyways because they ought not to have done it. There was a public outcry over the obvious absurdity of the sentence and it was commuted. Murder (technically, the boy was in a semi-comatose state when they killed him) and cannibalism became in the public perception a morally acceptable act, in part because the men told the truth about it and were quite clearly ashamed.
And of course cannibalism is an acceptable action in other societies. Had Europe developed under different conditions or circumstances cannibalism might have been ethical or even mandatory, as it is among some of the indigenous peoples of the Amazon who viewed the western practice of burying corpses barbaric compared to eating the flesh of their dead kin.
He rejects offhand then that there could be an evil entity. Nietzsche is much more about becoming than being and as such if evil actions do not exist, evil beings do not. We can judge them as such but since we are all wrapped up in our perceptions and how our bodies and cultures shape them, no human could actually identify abject evil even if it were to exist.
How can I, with my crushingly high IQ, and as someone who has fully grasped the implications of the Munchhausen trilemma and has therefore gained the super power / disability of being able to break down everything in to the sum of its spooks, possibly care about working hard or being motivated with regard to anything at all?
>>8012461
Protip: you can't.
>>8012461
>Munchhausen trilemma
I stumbled onto that realization when I was a kid, didn't even have a name for it.
I think you're over-estimating yourself OP.
>>8012461
How about you use your high IQ to figure out what the consequences not doing anything will have for your life?
Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.
Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."
The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."
>What is your interpretation of this Koan?
>What can we learn from it?
Its almost self explanatory
>>8012389
>Ryokan, a Zen master
>Ryokan returned
>Ryoken sat naked
so, ryokan or ryoken?
also i know the only ryoken and it's pic related
>>8012389
Are you reading Zen Flesh Zen Bones, OP? Great stuff.
What if google died? What impact would it have on literature as a medium?
What do you think?
>>8012365
zero
google has existed only since 1998
literature existed before that
It's so much summer in here that y'all even have your diving masks