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hey guys just letting you know there's a great discussion on the merits of YA vs literature going down. if anyone would like to chime in.
what do you think the effects of only reading YA is on the human brain? why don't YA lovers deviate from the genre?!?
https://youtu.be/U2jPMOxc17c
the YA fans are currently going full retard.
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Being over 17 and still reading YA just lets me know you're mentally and emotionally still a child.
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>>8093099
>Being over 17 and still reading SF just lets me know you're mentally and emotionally still a child.
>Being over 17 and still reading The Greeks just lets me know you're mentally and emotionally still a child.
>Being over 17 and still reading fiction just lets me know you're mentally and emotionally still a child.
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>>8093126
lol trueeeerr
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How do you use literature to learn foreign languages? Have you a special method? What kind of literature do you prefer for learning?
Learning Russian right now and prefer short story's from Tschechov
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Genre fiction. Dead serious.
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>>8093018
How do you approach a text in foreign language? What level are you?
I like to read the text several times, each time I try to get deeper into it, in terms of vocabulary, grammar and sense
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>>8092995
>>Tschechov
>Tschetckof
fixed that for you, this one is the real spelling I swear
Which is better?
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i haven't read either because they're both shit
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>>8092813
They're both good in their own right, but my heart is closer to Haldeman's message than to Heinlein's.
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>>8092813
Starship Troopers. The Forever War is quite bad.
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Is there any book that'll help me deal with my insecurities?
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the bible
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a therapist
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>>8092554
Can't afford, anon.
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Looking for fictional or biographical books about WWI veterans struggling to adjust to civilian lives in the post-war period. Preferably veterans from the losing side.
Already read The Outlaws by von Salomon (not a WWI vet but lived in the period and was a solider).
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>>8092469
holy fuck triggered
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Graves' Good-Bye To All That is partially about your question.
Borchert's The Man Outside is all about a returning veteran and how he can't adjust, but of WW2.
Brittain's Testament of Youth is a bit more of the female perspective of a WW1 nurse and what she struggled with after the war.
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>>8092469
whose grave is that?
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I'm offering to critique a chapter of your work, in exchange for a critique of a chapter of mine. I'm gonna be up for a few hours more, so I've got some time to kill. I've got a complete novel out to beta readers, but they aren't getting back to me... some BS about graduations and jobs getting in the way.
Anyhow, I'll post a picture of myself holding up a note with your post number on it, that's how you'll know it's legit. Yes, I'm fat. Yes, I'm hairy. Yes, I'm bald. No, I won't kill myself.
The link to my work is here;
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B29UDA4XRCCpYWtDSVM5V3owVVU/view?usp=sharing
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>>8092289
Manly af
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>>8092289
dude you look like a penis, lmao
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Has anyone ever been able to rebut Betrand Russell's "Marriage and Morals"? Even Einstein said the work was brilliant.
>Love as a relation between men and women was ruined by the desire to make sure of the legitimacy of children.
>The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot coexist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue.
>Even in civilised mankind faint traces of a monogamic instinct can sometimes be perceived.
>I should not hold it desirable that either a man or a woman should enter upon the serious business of a marriage intended to lead to children without having had previous sexual experience.
>Science enables us to realise our purposes, and if our purposes are evil, the result is disaster.
>Gluttony is regarded by the Catholic Church as one of the seven deadly sins, and those who practise it are placed by Dante in one of the deeper circles of hell; but it is a somewhat vague sin, since it is hard to say where a legitimate interest in food ceases and guilt begins to be incurred. Is it wicked to eat anything that is not nourishing? If so, with every salted almond we risk damnation.
Russell's father allowed Russell's mother to sleep with Russell's tutor, and Betrand Russell grew up to be a genius and win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Also, any rebuttal to his "Why I am not a Christian"?
> The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings.
>There are a great many ways in which, at the present moment, the church, by its insistence upon what it chooses to call morality, inflicts upon all sorts of people undeserved and unnecessary suffering. And of course, as we know, it is in its major part an opponent still of progress and improvement in all the ways that diminish suffering in the world, because it has chosen to label as morality a certain narrow set of rules of conduct which have nothing to do with human happiness; and when you say that this or that ought to be done because it would make for human happiness, they think that has nothing to do with the matter at all. "What has human happiness to do with morals? The object of morals is not to make people happy."
>There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ's moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment.
> You will find that in the Gospels Christ said, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell." That was said to people who did not like His preaching. It is not really to my mind quite the best tone, and there are a great many of these things about Hell.
>Historically it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about him
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>>8092164
>attraction to one person cannot coexist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue
If you truly meet someone that you love you'll care enough about them to realize that no one else will ever make you as happy as they do, saying that you are equally attracted to two different people just means that you aren't sufficiently attracted to one partner to make the thought of entertaining a second partner not worth it
>faint traces of a monogamic instinct can sometimes be perceived
Having sex with just one partner repeatedly is best because you feel comfortable and loved, which makes the quality of it much better. Sure, if both you, your partner, and a third sexual partner are all equally comfortable with the idea of an open relationship then I'm sure that having sex with multiple people would also be pleasurable, but for some, if not most people, sex with just one partner is preferable and the most pleasurable. For some people that might not be the case, but for most it is.
>Russell's father allowed Russell's mother to sleep with Russell's tutor, and Betrand Russell grew up to be a genius and win the Nobel Peace Prize.
He was raised in an environment where open relationships were okay, so it makes sense that he thinks they're best. Just because he thinks they're the best doesn't mean everyone else should feel that way. People are allowed to have different opinions on entirely subjective topics like this. Entertaining a serious debate on this subject is like having an argument about which color is objectively the best.
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>>8092164
Wow aside from his stance on science as a set of tools, that guy sounds retarded. No wonder the west seems to be sliding into oblivion.
Has Russell ever heard of the emotion called jealousy? And even if there was a case for polygamy, you would have to radically recreate society in order to change such an institution as marriage, and then even if he had a better model, there is no guarantee mankind would choose to follow it and not devolve into chaos. Pleb-tier
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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General 2016-05-28 05:45:30 Post No.8092089
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Cyberpunk edition
What's your favorite Cyberpunk book/story? Is anyone still writing it? Why has every other subgenre tacked "punk" on the end of its name?
Previously: boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/8086364/sffg-scifi-and-fantasy-general
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>>8092089
I swear to God, if anyone says Snow Crash...
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>>8092094
WHY YOU DON'T LIKE THE 'ZA?
Can anyone remind me of that one novel that was about a murder mystery in the singularity age? Altered Carbon?
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Is being on 4chan "reading?"
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>>8091288
Technically, yes. In the sense you want it to be? No.
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>>8091295
could you explain the differences between reading a book and reading a forum?
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>>8091307
One's being a lazy piece of shit
One's being a less lazy piece of shit
I'll let you figure out which one's which
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Why didn't he win the Nobel Prize?
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Because the Nobel Committee hates Argentina.
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Nobody likes Argies.
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Politics
More like this, /lit/?
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>>8091242
What's cringe about that?
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>>8091261
Atheism is inherently cringe.
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>>8091483
He's just recommending books by his pop author friends.
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Do you think there are books that aren't worth reading after a certain age?
For example, I'm 24 and I only got into reading books """seriously""" like 2 years ago. I've read Infinite Jest, Ulysses, 2666 and The Recognitions to name some, but I've never read any of this stuff:
>Of Mice and Men
>Lolita
>1984
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
>War and Peace
>Don Quixote
>The Great Gatsby
>Lolita
>Catch-22
>A Heart of Darkness
>In Search of Lost Time
>The Odyssey
>The Catcher in the Rye
>The Sound and the Fury
>nothing from Hemingway
>nothing from Shakespeare except Julius Caesar
>nothing from Bukowski
>nothing from Dostoevsky
>nothing from Murakami
I don't know, but after experiencing postmodernism and postmodern literary techniques I feel like I won't find that much pleasure in reading many of the stuff that preceded it. Like there isn't much to gain from reading all that entry-level stuff or a Steinbeck book that's being read in high schools and by people who aren't that into literature. And all those books seem rather conventional and filled with the same tired old cliches and plot points told many times before. Reading East of Eden (for example) after Infinite Jest is like driving a Prius after a Ferrari. Why would anyone want to downgrade?
I don't know, what do you think?
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>>8091218
OP, are you me? I've read some of the books you've listed, but have read more postmodern literature as well and struggle with the same feeling.
I think what is best is to appreciate the evolution of literature and remember that any given book (especially the ones you listed) are representative of a particular style or school of thought at a certain point in time. Also, just because you might prefer postmodernism, does not necessarily mean that another piece of literature is not good and that you can't appreciate it.
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>>8091218
>>The Catcher in the Rye
I never read that book even though I probably should've because it's a classic, I know it would be pointless to read it now though, because I outgrew it and I don't feel like I'd have anything to learn from it anymore because I'm too fucking old, plus we all already know the story. Yes, I think I'm too mature for it and don't want to read a book about some angsty edgelord from the 50s.
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>>8091255
the way i see it you can keep coming back to the book as you get older and take away something new
1. "i identify with holden" -- edgy teenager
2. "i reject holden and those who identify with him" -- edgy young adult
3. "i have compassion for holden and empathize with the people who take care of him" -- not-so-edgy older adult
god knows what i will think of the book if i read it again at 40 or 80 or some shit, my reaction will probably be "i can't imagine a world without digital social media"
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Books about cognitive biases 2016-05-28 00:33:17 Post No.8091191
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Books about cognitive biases
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Suggest books about cognitive biases; preferably in a list like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases but more in depth.
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Big Book of Biases by L.L. Cool J
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This picture is really awkward.
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Could cognitive biases dethrone informal fallacies as the king of shitty memes?
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is he the most unlikable, pyschopathic character in literary history, or is he just a common, everyday /fa/ggot?
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That honor goes to either Mason Verger or Ramsay Snow.
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>>8091229
I refuse to believe someone posted this unironically
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>>8091139
>is he the most unlikable, pyschopathic character in literary history
are you the most 12, underage character in 4chan/lit/ history?
How did you crack this one, /lit/? Did the Skeleton Key help at all? Any other readers' guides?
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I'm about to read this. But only after I found out that it's framed around / based on Vico's New Science. Read Vico way back. Thought it was cool joyce was into it.
See ya 'round m8.
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>>8091133
Joyce was into pretty much everything, jsut saying.
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>>8091120
don't get that editon if you're still looking to buy.