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Has anyone refuted Nietzsche?

I'm currently reading 'Human, all too Human' and it's hard to fault anything he says. Aphorism 107 in particular (Irresponsibility and Innocence), where he seems to most clearly set out his argument against the ideas of 'Good' and 'Evil', has given me particular food for thought; all of it challenging, and leading to conclusions I am trying to resist.

Then again, he himself calls it man's "bitterest pill", so I don't think he was under any illusions either.

Still, it's hard to imagine a world that would be built upon his thinking. What would things look like, if the traditional morality of 'Good' and 'Evil' was superceded by the morality of Pleasure/Pain/Vanity/Egoism?

I do find myself with the lingering impression that he misunderstood Schopenhauer on one point, however. Namely, "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills."
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If you're only on Human, you still have a long way to go
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>>8144511

>I do find myself with the lingering impression that he misunderstood Schopenhauer on one point, however. Namely, "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills."

How?

If anything, Schopenhauer misunderstood his own point. If man cannot will what he wills, then by definition he must do everything he ever does.

Ergo, in every sense, he does not have free will.
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Yeah, Father Seraphim Rose
You can skip the preface, which isn't by the author, and just start with the introduction.
http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm#I._

Father Seraphim Rose argued that Nietzsche's "cure" for nihilism in fact just formed a dialectic with nihilism, and came to be sublated by it.

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/lit/ has an Infinite Jest summer reading book group, and it starts TODAY!
If you have an interest in this book -- whether you have read it or not -- please consider joining us!

We will be reading Infinite Jest from June 3rd (today) – August 11th with an average pace of 15 pages a day.

Discussions will take place right here on /lit/, hopefully we will keep a thread floating around most of the time, but should activity slow down new threads will be made Friday for discussion to avoid daily spamming of dying threads.

TODAY'S READING is pages 3 - 17, scenes 1- 5. Full schedule to follow this post.

*Infinite Jest is widely available in bookstores and in free ebooks formats online

NEWCOMERS, SIGN IN
http://www.strawpoll.me/10356218

SCENE BY SCENE GUIDE:
>http://faculty.sunydutchess.edu/oneill/Infinite.htm

REFERENCE SITE:
>http://infinitesummer.org/
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full schedule, Day 1 being, of course, June 3rd

Reposting last year's poll, rereaders weigh in

http://strawpoll.me/4625366
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caught one of these on time, lets see if this meme is alright. first of all of course:
>I am seated in an office, surrounded by heads and bodies.
what did he meme by this?
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>>8117901
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

didn't you go to high school?

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Oh you merry men and women, let's share some samples and share some feedback.

PLEASE leave feedback before or immediately after posting your work. Otherwise these threads turn to shit. Seriously.
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Creak, went the door with the broken lock, as Henry Sliverich swung it open. A haunting, soul-crippling creak seemed to call out in rusty groans to a faceless world, which operated its hustle and bustle around it as if it did not exist. Creak, went the unpolished floorboards as he went to step over the threshold in his Italian leather shoes. Creak, creak, creeeeeeeeak. He paused with his fingertips fluttering hesitantly on the door handle, which had clearly once been shining and brass under the light from the absent chandelier in the eerie hallway. Creak, this fine, haunted house said to him.

Please look at some of my other work. I hope to become a writer one day.
http://www.writerscafe.org/KateeBurns/writing/
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>>8107002
reads like YA. especially the creeeeaak.
I know you can't italicize here, but onomatopoeia should be in italics.
not bad, but there's not much going on beyond a dude in an old house. Just reads like YA.

Also, at some point emotion or sensation should be introduced to give is a sense of the setting and empathize with the character
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http://pastebin.com/86jATbSd

What I have so far of my short novel/novella. I don't expect anyone to read all of it so just skim or read a part.

Hey lit, its my dream to go to Harvard Law, as a current student at a top 40-50 uni and the first person in my family to attend college. I took the LSAT last week and scored much lower than what I was practicing. Probably no better than a 166. This is because I had multiple anxiety attacks toward the end of the exam. Also a pretty anxious person in general, particularly in social situations and anything performance based (exams, athletics, stage fright, etc.) I tried therapy in the past and it didn't help, is there anything to read that can help me out with this?
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This isn't Reddit

and you have no chance at that
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>>8153271
Fuck you faggot
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>>8153279

Don't get mad at me, I'm the only one that is going to tell you the truth

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Is it true that ignorance is bliss? I think it just might be

I don't think knowledge ever really leads to happiness
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It all depends on what one does with knowledge.

You're supposed to craft it into your own wisdom.
I agree that happiness is the ultimate goal you want to arrive at, but trying to remain ignorant isn't always such a good idea either.
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>>8152821
Ignorance is bliss up until you need to pay the bills, figure out taxes, and make a fire to keep yourself from dying from frostbite.
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>>8152821
Depends on your strength of character. Strong individuals take advantage of their knowledge and take pleasure in their mastery of it. People who can't often find that not having it makes life easier.

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What recent (>1980) literary works do you think will be taught to children in school 50 years from now?
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That John Green book with Starts in its name.
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>>8152634
None. the novel will be recognized as the historical, temporary art form it is, and the kids will read the same ten or twenty we did
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>>8152634
Beloved.

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Is love a spook? Is it possible for a voluntary egoist to have genuine affection for another person?
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>>8152535
Shut up, you weren't here for the genesis of stirner memes and I'm tired of seeing crossies post his ugly fucking nerd face.
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>>8152535
deferring to the opinions of whoever happens to be browsing this board at the time you post your thread is a spook
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>Is love a spook?
If, for example, you're obsessed with the idea of love and fuck up your live to see two people get together and life a movie happily ever after, then love became a spook for you.

>Is it possible for a voluntary egoist to have genuine affection for another person?
I'd say the question is to what extent the notion of voluntary egoist can be realized.
Assuming yes, why wouldn't it be possible? If you fall in love with someone, why would that interfere with being an egoist. You're even kind of implying fathers can't be egoists.
We are also just talking about feelings that pass, sooner or later.

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What's the most mystical experience inducing book you've read that didn't necessarily have anything to do with mysticism as a topic?
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>>8152519
The God Delusion, I'm not even joking.
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>>8152519
Valis
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>dick = diamonds
While reading Lolita

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I wanna know if any of our fellow people at /it/ actually managed to write and publish something, and how successful it was

Pic semi-related
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Only short stories so far but I'm hoping I get somewhere based on that.
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>>8152513
I've been published 100+ timesm between one newspaper and 2 magazines. Art journalism/criticism, mostly 500-1200 word stuff. I get 100 to 250 an article, depending on the length and publisher. Been doing this for 3 years now. Still have a side job delivering sushi.
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>>8153050
Hello, please tell us how you got into doing this and whether you earn anything noteworthy through it.

t. person who is doing his doctorate in a meme degree and expects to be unemployable

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Anyone have this hardcover edition of Ulysses. How are the printing and supplements? Pictures are appreciated.
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>pictures are appreciated
you're clearly not ready for Ulysses.
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>even Ulysses isn't safe from editions that look like YA

fuck sakes
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>>8152383
I bet you tried to suck your own dick once

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Have the Orwell contrarians even read this book? It fucking sucks tbqh
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>>8152361
People who read Orwell for 1984 and Animal Farm don't read much, it's not much use.
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Eh, I thought the whole subliminal social conditioning foe the children concept was relevant.

Soma, too --- it's all I can think about when people go on "legalize it" rants with drugs.

But the second half of the book might as well not exist.
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>>8152450

The first few chapters would make an interesting novella but the actual story doesn't really work.

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I'm starting to get into writing and I find that after many pages of prose there is only so little that is salvageable and of any worth... Has /lit/ seen an improvement in their writing since they've first undertaken the task?
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>>8152357
Yes, but you have to know exactly what you're trying to accomplish with each sentence/passage/chapter, etc. for it to feel like progress.

You can't just shit something out with the vague idea of being "aesthetic" and expect it to look good to you afterwards.
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It's all practice my dude. You can't possibly expect to pick up a pencil and draw like the masters so don't be disappointed when you're not a great writer from the start. (And no, talent is a myth so don't even think this excuse).
Chances are, you're gonna suck for the next few years, possibly decades but if you keep trying your best and keep not giving up when it's not enough, you'll eventually write how you want to write. Hang in there.
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>>8152372
>you can't just shit something out with the vague idea of being "aesthetic" and expect it to look good to you afterwards

Shit. That's exactly what I do. I'll try to think more of what I'm doing and trying to convey then. Thx

Tsundoku - noun (informal): the act of leaving a book unread after buying it, typically piled up together with other such unread books

Let's measure something /lit/

Please post:

>current book(s) you're reading
>how long you have been reading it for
>number of books you have bought while reading it
>rough number of books on your "to read" pile
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>>8152325
>current book(s) you're reading
Dune, Oranges aren't the only fruit.

>how long you have been reading it for
On and off when I have the time and interest.

>number of books you have bought while reading it
Zero unfortunately. Broke.

>rough number of books on your "to read" pile
God, far too many
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OP's list:

>current book(s) you're reading
The Grapes of Wrath
>how long you have been reading it for
A good three to four weeks now
>number of books you have bought while reading it
At least nine - scooped up from book stores, village fetes, charity shops, amazon. Urge to buy Camus' stuff too
>rough number of books on your "to read" pile
About seventeen- mostly E Annie Proulx

I can't stop. I know I'm going to read them but I'm just going to buy more while I'm reading one
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>>8152325
>current book(s) you're reading
Satantango
>how long you have been reading it for
About a week.
>number of books you have bought while reading it
1
>rough number of books on your "to read" pile
4, and 1 in the mail
probably 150-200 if you count my "might want to read this" list

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Does anyone have that list of /r9k/ recommending reading I've seen floating around? Thanks in advance.
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>>8152049
I don't see why you would rot your perfectly fine mind like that, Anon.
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>>8152049
that is the most weaselly description of Withnail and I that has ever existed. it's entirely true, but omits the fact that the film is hilarious
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What a load of pretentious shite

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I've never been much into literature, but I decided that I should stop being an uncultured pleb, so I decided to go borrow some books at the library, one of them being Heart of Darkness. However, I'm not entirely sure what to say about the book. I tried to be a good reader and keep track of key moments, but in the end, I'm just sitting here with a lot of unanswered questions. Why didn't the ~30 cannibals on the steamboat eat Marlow and the other Europeans? Marlow said there was some sort of restraint keeping them from overcoming hunger, but it is never brought up again. What does Conrad think about the role of civilization? Also, pardon my poor English.
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>>8152010
> never being much into literature
> he dives straight into Joseph Conrad

wew lad

maybe try something like george orwell or fitzgerald first, sink into literature and then try something like conrad. conrad's not one to take lightly, especially for someone who hasn't delved much into literature beforehand.
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>>8152058
Conrad is entry-level though. His dry prose is just a bore to go through, but it's not that deep at all.
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>>8152058
Yes, 1984 was one of those books I borrowed. I just added this one because I read Moby Dick as a kid, and I heard this one was a bit similar.

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