Anyone read it? Spoilers ahead. What's the significance of these two events at the end:
- The white dog barking at Elizabeth. Is this supposed to be John Kemp getting in a "last-word" against what she and Christopher represent?
- The poet whose home John Kemp drunkenly bursts into. He starts to read him a poem and then he interrupts, saying he needs to take a shit.
I can see the latter as Kemp never quite mastering his own destiny. He sought refuge in his creative works but could not harness this to bring about meaningful change in his life.
He talks about the bombing of Huddlesford as though it were a new start, "It meant no more to him now, and so it was destroyed: it seemed symbolic, a kind of annuling of his childhood... It was as if he had been told: all the past is cancelled." (202) His parents are essentially landless; their visit to Oxford is Kemp's opportunity to wow them with his new, re-energised, intellectual, post-war life. The only scene waiting them is Kemp's injured, feverish body.
The nurse says of Kemp, "He's in no danger. Really, he's never been in the slightest danger at all." This can be read as either Kemp being his own undoing, or of a kind of British sense of perseverance; an optimism that Britain will endure and recover from the pains of World War 2.
If you haven't read it, it's worth at least a read for the excellent last 50-60 pages.
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>>8157159
>I can see the latter as Kemp never quite mastering his own destiny. He sought refuge in his creative works but could not harness this to bring about meaningful change in his life.
I should say, Kemp interrupting the poet is like a crass rejection of the peace and serenity he could have found in his creative works (the poet seems the only person not engaging in drunken revelry in the complex).
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is there any particular reason larkin keeps showing up lately or is it just because you've all found a new person to prop up that the sjw establishment doesn't like
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He wrote it when he was like 20.
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I feel like I can't be creative without alcohol, and I feel like I'm not a real person if I can't create well. I'll start writing sometimes and just think "this is shit" and start drinking. I tell myself to work harder, study other writers more but it never seems to take. Can you be great without drugs? Or even good, I'd settle for that at this point
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>>8157153
>Can you be great without drugs?
i fucking hate when people ask this.
yes, you can be great without drugs. drinking won't make you a better writer. only writing makes you a better writer.
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>>8157153
Is alcohol + writing a meme? Or does it actually help with creativity and shit?
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>>8157173
go fucking kill yourself
I'm currently learning French. What is some required reading for this beautiful language?
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lay miz
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>>8156956
Le petit prince,
L'étranger (prose nothing special for most of it but a good starter),
Godot
a couple stories from Maupassant,
Montaigne if you can handle it
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>L'étranger (prose nothing special for most of it but a good starter)
I agree with this guy and cannot stress this enough. It was the first book I read in French and I found it much easier than le petit prince. After a year of French in college and prior knowledge of Spanish, I could read this book pretty easily with a dictionary.
That really sent me ages ahead. I also recommend that you read Françoise Sagan. All of her books are about bored bourgeois sexual deviants but it is a good level of difficulty for someone learning to read French.
I don't consider myself able to read good literature yet and I only really read in French and understand a little. For example I started Rousseau's Nouvelle Heloise and had to put it down. I did pick up some Ballsack and plan to read him later.
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What should I add to this list? I am starting a reading group with some friends who are not exactly the /lit/ type and wanna go through some entry tier then maybe more advanced list of reading. We will have a poll on which books we will read. Im posting here wondering is there anything /lit recommends to a bunch of 1st uni with not very in depth experience of literature?
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That's a weird ass list for sure. Why did you add gravity's rainbow ?
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if you want to convert friends, go slower. most people are slow readers!
also remove mein kampf u edgelord
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this group is gonna fall apart in <2 weeks guaranteed.
>10 pages in and its the best prose I've ever read
Well fuck.
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>woman
>good prose
fuck off roastie pleb
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i see nothing but entry level poopy puffer shite tee bee eightch
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>>8156550
great post thanks for contributing
God damnit. I've been memed. 956 fucking pages, and the whole thing was only an extremely elaborate way of saying "Just b urself ;)." Jesus fucking christ.
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nva undastand u plot fegs.
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>>8156490
>muh read for the shiver in your spine
go stick a dildo up your ass if you want a shiver in your spine
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really should have known that from the beginning when Otto bases his life off copying wyatt.
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Can somebody post that Dostoyevsky flowchart that has all his books in a trash can? Saw it earlier and it made me kek but I can't seem to find it in the archives.
Oh, and so this isn't a complete waste of space this thread can be a QTDDTOT thread I guess.
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oh shit waddup
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what is the difference between ideology and hegemony?
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How do you rate this book /lit/? How do you think it stacks up to Ulysses (which i see it compared to)?
I thought it was interesting. Bernard got to be a whiny bitch but Woolf nailed the pains of nostalgia and getting old, as well as ones inner thoughts. Very poetic. Wasnt much a fan of the waves metaphor but understood its usage.
Also:Was Percival adolescence? When he died it all went to shit for everyone and they still yearn for the time he was round.
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>>8156169
It's a masterpiece.
>How do you think it stacks up to Ulysses (which i see it compared to)?
What's the point of comparing tobehonest
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>>8156180
I just see people compare them as two modernist (or maybe pomo?) stream of conscious classics. Admittedly Joyces was on a grand scale but perhaps Waves had, overall, a little more heart.
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>>8156194
>pomo?
no
What are you reading?
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Everything is a spook.
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I am reading Evola
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>>8156020
Human, All Too Human.
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Hey, I just finished Duolingo's spanish course and was thinking of finally starting to read in Spanish, what would be some good Spanish books? Is "el amor en los tiempos del colera" a good read?
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>>8155437
Donkey Hoe Tay
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>>8155536
Oh yeah, forget about Don Quixote, thanks for the reminder I'll add that to the list.
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>>8155594
If you're only experience with Spanish is the Duolingo course, do not start with Don Quixote lol.
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Why is DFW a hack according to a lot of people including certain meme academics? Perhaps he doesn't offer as much as certain people claim/live up to the hype/resonate with some demographics but disregarding that, what is so incredibly offensive about DFW?
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>>8155258
>what is so incredibly offensive about DFW?
His insincerity.
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>>8155258
He pretended to be the king of sincerity but was actually a lvl. 10 ironic pomo shithead who an heroed. His positivity and sincerity were deeply disingenuous, and he knew it, so his suicide was well advised
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>>8155593
He was never about positivity. His books are sad as shit.
Also i think he didn't claim to be the king of sincerity but he recognised insincere ironic writing as cancerous detrimental stuff, but still couldn't avoid it due to longterm exposure to television.
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How has /lit/ helped you?
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>>8155126
they critique my poems
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>>8155126
they tell me what to read
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Book and article recommendations.
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Now Reading: Paradise Lost
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Important Dates
06/06/16 - "Three Theban Plays" finished
22/06/16 - Polling Day
24/06/16 - Polls closed; rollover period begins.
27/06/16 - Paradise Lost discussion ends.
>How do I bookclub?
Find the book at the top of this post, read it, and discuss. Bookclubs are a place for expanding and sharing your knowledge. Use this opportunity to ask questions, and discuss the things you liked and did not like about the story.
>How do I recommend books for the bookclub to read?
Use the following format: [REC] Title - Author
>Archives
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Threads will probably die more often as I am not reading this round. Archives will be updated later.
Here's a question though, when you think of Satan in Paradise Lost, do you imagine the classic goat-like satyr with bat wings that became popular in christian propaganda, or do you, like me, imagine an ordinary angel (angels I guess also depicted like the renaissance artists painted them), a little larger than the rest, maybe with some bruises and singed feathers?
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>>8155095
Ordinary angel. An interesting question is how did the satyr appearance develop ? Where did it come from ?
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hello
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I love that this is still going, I'm just sorry that I can't participate with you.
A question to the thread regulars, what would you think if there were weekly Poetry and Poetics generals on /lit/? I'm beginning to compile a list of articles and books as a sort of requiem for those of you who are deeply interested. As of now scouring for decent pdfs of anthologies, coming upon some nice finds as I'm on it.
What do you think, would you like to see something like this happen?
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The youngest brother in my family refuses to read books even at the threat of getting disinherited. Should we threaten to disown him or are there any better ways to get a 13 y.o. to read?
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>>8154975
Introduce him to Harry Potter or something on that level
but then your shitty elitist family will probably disown him for liking something they don't, anyways
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>>8154975
just take him into a shed and rape him
if you can't turn him into a reader, might as well turn him into a writer
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just make reading appear cool and trendy