wow, Schopenhauer really didn't think highly of women lol.
>>8229195
Let's just say he was redpilled to the maximum degree.
'Get women back in the fucking kitchen'
- BASED Schopenhauer
A profound influence on my thinking today.
"Bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks" - Bropenhauer
>mfw there are people on this board right now who think he was wrong about any of it
Do you say "jay are" or "junior?"
>>8229189
i know there's an answer to this, he said it in an interview, but i forget. maybe i wont even submit this response. fuck it
>>8229189
well it's two capital letters spaced out. so what the fuck do you think?
>>8229200
I need to be hostile. I say jay are but I was just curious about you anons.
anyone else read his memoirs? i've read the first two volumes of the non-condensed version and they're absurd - he is extraordinarily patrician
>>8229168
>reading proto nu-males
>>8229178
how is casanova a nu-male
>>8229188
Looks like a fag cuck
Hey /lit/
I just want to tell you that if you ever plan to order a book from bookdepository, just don't.
>pic related
book ordered - book received
>>8229147
i've ordered several books from book depository before and they have always arrived reasonably promptly
also you're too lazy to even retitle a meme picture so fuck you basically
>>8229147
I've ordered some books from bookdepository and each time they arrived after only a month.
>>8229185
>only a month
What do you do before deciding a new book to read? What considerations do you make with regard to notoriety, author, setting etc?
I'm pretty open-minded, I'll read anything as long as it's written by a white man and isn't genre fiction
i just go through various /lit/ charts i have saved lmao
>>8229124
Usually get it into my head that "I am going to read this book because of...". Also helps with not quitting for another book.
I go through my to-read list and just pick what I'm in the mood for.
When will we see the first professor in memetics?
>>8229117
Meme is just layman vernacular for a concept that has existed in philosophy for like a thousand years. Yes, that's how pleb you are.
>>8229129
Same could be said about a lot of things.
>>8229129
pleb or no, at least he's not a summer who needs to lurk mor
What's the general opinion about this book?
>>8229051
Never read it but can tell it's extremely pleb just from the title.
Serious books aren't titled this way.
#rare
I liked it
>it's a story within a story
>>8229047
>the narrator is the protagonist
>>8229047
>The city is the protagnist
>>8229047
>the moon is the protagonist
Orson Scott Card argues that having themes in mind, before creating a character, creates characters as cardboard cutouts, rather than believable characters.
He argues that if the audience were to recognize a theme in some piece, it takes them out of the story, it takes breaks the reader's stream of consciousness.
He argues that themes will naturally form out of interesting character conflict, and setting conflicts, and should be left this way, rather than adapting characters to certain endings or beginings, to fulfill a theme.
Allow the audience to form their own theme interpretations, rather than be forced into the author's.
I agree with Orson on this. What do you think?
it's a fairly reasonable stance to take.
>>8229023
>believable characters
>>8229023
>it takes them out of the story, it takes breaks the reader's stream of consciousness.
He's right about characters tending to turn into ideograms rather than people if authors focus too much on the themes. However, being "taken out of the story" isn't really a problem for me. Books aren't video games. Recognizing themes is an important part of the reading process.
Infinite Jest in television
So what other shows or movies have you seen this book been mentioned? I can only think of Man Seeking Woman and The Middle where it's basically name dropped.
What would be the TV equivalent to Infinite Jest?
Man Seeking Woman is written by Simon Rich, a very funny writer in his own right. As for The Middle, I've never heard of it and I don't know why it referenced IJ.
>>8228992
One of the main character's in The Middle is obsessed with books and he gets Infinite Jest for Christmas in one episode
with all the rad puppies and sad puppy stuff going on
>>8228977
>with all the rad puppies and sad puppy stuff going on
what are you talking about
literary circles would only by accused of racism by people that would automatically accuse all educated or white people of racism
>>8228977
Probably not but it's 2016. Everything is racist now.
I do think its funny how often in fantasy the author inserts a civilization of black people on the periphary of the story, and their society is a flawless isolationist utopia.
Like the author is terrified of being called racist so he has black people in his world, but doesnt have black people in the story, if that makes sense.
That's a really insightful point that you've communicated well. I had no idea people thought of things like that and I now feel much more informed on the topic.
Or, no, wait, you're missing the point that all art is shit. Nothing has changed since Artaud said "all writing is garbage. People who come out of nowhere to try to put into words any part of what goes in in their minds are pigs. The whole literary scene is a pigpen, especially today."
Literary history isn't just people writing great work but people telling other people that it's great work. If you think you somehow exist outside of that, you're dead wrong and need to spend more time thinking about why you're reading the books that you're reading. You're not reading them because they are inherently of worth and you inherently know that but because someone else told you so.
You can judge a book based on whatever you want but you're seriously fucking up the order of operations if your response to "more diversity please" is "nope, only aesthetic worth." Your goal in a university classroom isn't to judge books but to read them and trying to learn something.
You seem to think literary studies are about finding the best of the best and sending everyone else the universally and objectively correct Top 10 list. No, literary study can be just as valid (and arguably even more important) when it focuses on bad texts or ones of little aesthetic worth.
Here's the point you missed while you were caught up in your bad literary studies: when you're trying to make the claim that you read purely on aesthetic concerns and that the writer's identity makes no difference to you, you cannot at the same time say "here's a black guy to back up my point." You look incredibly silly when you point out he didn't like being referred to as a black writer and then insist on referring to him exclusively as one.
It also looks incredibly silly when you say "I just like work of aesthetic worth and it's an outrage that you're trying to get me to read more women and brown people." If it's only books of aesthetic worth, does that mean every book you read had better be of more worth than the last? I mean, what's the point otherwise, right? We're just judging solely on aesthetic worth and we can only read the cream of the crop so that we can better organize the Top 10 list so that nobody wonders anymore what books are good and what books aren't. Hell, we should probably start burning all the books that we already know aren't going to make the cut. Bye-bye, 50 Shades.
If you're just in it for the plot and storytelling, why do you care what other criteria might go into picking books? If you had a room full of all of the best books in history and knew both that they were all literary the best books ever written and that you could only read a finite number of them, what would be the argument against reading only the ones that had blue covers? Or only the ones that are in the Realist mode? Or only books that are shorter than 300 pages? Or only the ones by women? Or only the ones by men? Why is one of these options okay but the rest are utterly unacceptable for a reading list?
Most people read based on aesthetics. And yet somehow we've ended up with a literary history and canon that predominantly celebrates white males. Maybe, somehow, that's not a coincidence? For example, maybe white males aren't the only ones to create texts of aesthetic worth but are mostly the only ones? Sounds reasonable.
After all, we're only reading books of aesthetic worth and it's mostly white men, and any argument that we should we read more women or brown people is met with the outrage and shouting about only reading books based on aesthetic worth. Or is that too much inductive logic?
Even if you walked into a library without having ever seen a book or read a word or heard someone talk about western literature in your entire life, pulled a random book off the shelf, and said "hey, have you guys heard about this Shakespeare guy? He seems pretty cool," you would still be within the context of a library which has limited funds to acquire books and thus will naturally acquire books that someone at some point decided were of value to others. If you're in a bookstore, someone thought it would sell or otherwise had the money to make sure it's printed.
You are not absent from the literary tradition that said, first, that women were not intelligent enough to write, and, later, that, okay, maybe they can write (even though they should not have been educated enough to put together that many words and sentences), but it's just not aesthetically pleasing and that has nothing to do with their genitalia. Or, else you say that the genre that is predominantly female is of little literary value despite being culturally dangerous. You don't need to pick one, you can pick a few because it's a grab-bag.
Jane Eyre actually gets a shout-out on the cover of Joanna Russ' How to Suppress Women's Writing. Here's a gem from Wikipedia regarding the androgynous penname Jane Eyre was originally published under:
Speculation about the identity and gender of the mysterious Currer Bell heightened with the publication of Wuthering Heights by Ellis Bell (Emily) and Agnes Grey by Acton Bell (Anne).[12] Accompanying the speculation was a change in the critical reaction to Charlotte's work, as accusations were made that the writing was "coarse",[13] a judgement more readily made once it was suspected that Currer Bell was a woman.[14]
Do you know what happens when a Victorian publisher thinks your writing is too coarse and/or unlikely to get carried by Mudie's? You don't get published, even if you wrote what would be acknowledge as the best novel in English history. Or maybe you publish under a name like George Eliot so that people won't be looking to define your work based on your genitals.
This is probably the most autistic thread on 4Chan right now.
>writing a essay
>subject is perfectly adressed for undergrad level
>still 7 pages shorter than required
What do I do now? I'm just using redundant theory now that makes the text feels fat of references. What this minimum page requirement is supposed to accomplish? Is this a warning sign of shitty teacher?
it's a sign that you're a shitty writer
>>8228926
>writing a essay
Yup, its just you.
>>8228926
Your problem is that you did not outline your paper. Here's my method:
>The required number of pages is your basic template
>Make a list of subtopics related to the main subject of discussion
>Allocate an equal amount of space for each subtopic within those pages
This is not a hard rule. Obviously, you will have more to say on some points but breaking up the space makes the whole process easier.
>Flesh out any ideas that come to mind
>Fill the rest of the space with fluff or quotations
The mistake that a lot of kiddies make is to treat an essay as a linear progression. Once you have drawn the skeleton, you can start anywhere!
what arguments against the oxford comma exist
>>8228917
it removes hilarious ambiguity
Those at the ceremony were the commodore, the fleet captain, the donor of the cup, Mr. Smith, and Mr. Jones
inb4 who gives a fuck about
/lit/ is nothing but a bunch shitposting and people procrastinating. Barely see any serious discussion on this forum. Only solution is for /lit/ to become one big book circle reading the whole western canon. what is this forum for if not for encouraging reading and enabling serious literary discussions?
And why does this inot already exist?
>>8228880
People here like to pretend only "patrician" books matter but nobody reads that shit, so shitposting about books we haven't read is all that is left to do.
Are you serious? Coming to a forum to post about books you have never read must be the stupidest thing i have ever heard of. Do you really do this?
And yet you post nothing about books. Would ya look at that!