What contemporary fiction novel will be regarded as ground breaking in 20 years?
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Wait 20 years
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>>8282006
In your oppinion.
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>>8282003
Anything by Hacks, Murakami and the Master Bates himself silly wanker Amis
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I think we're too pretentious sometimes /lit/. Let's just have a good, simple thread. Post your favorite book and why.
Mine is 'Revolutionary Road'. Sure, it is a fairly simple book but I enjoy it. I think I identify with it because I am also a man forced to do a job that sucks the energy clean out of me, to live a life I moderately disdain; all with a woman I merely tolerate.
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Get the fuck out, pleb.
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>>8281947
Why am I not surprised?
Get back to reading your meme books kiddo.
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leave plebe
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I like to write. I am aware that I most likely don’t do so very well, but from time to time I like to write down whatever little story comes to my mind while I go about. I never really write much though. Sometimes I get these spurs where I write maybe five to six pages over the course of a couple days, but when I then later look back at what I have written I just get this feeling that it is shitty and ridiculous. I mean what am I even trying to do here? Everything seems to be so generic, used up and overdone. Nothing I write seems to have any originality, and only tells the same story that already has been told a thousand times before, probably better. I am not a writer, and nor do I have plans to become one. I don’t plan on showing people what I write. Its just something for myself. But it takes away the motivation. I am aware of the fact that I here seem like some ridiculous whiny idiot with too much time on his hands and nothing to complain about. Feel free to do so you too if you wish.
I was just wondering if anyone maybe felt the same way or what others may think of these thoughts.
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>>8281891
do you WRITE on paper or do you type shit?
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If you feel its generic then see how you can approach it in a different way and what elements you can add.
If you feel you have some technical issues then study up to see what you can do about it.
Also, the people who say "everything's been done before" are fucking stupid. Forget them.
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>>8281904
On a computer. Why?
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>On a thousand bridges and piers shall they throng to the future, and always shall there be more war and inequality among them: thus does my great love make me speak! Inventors of figures and phantoms shall they be in their hostilities; and with those figures and phantoms shall they yet fight with each other the supreme fight! Good and evil, and rich and poor, and high and low, and all names of values: weapons shall they be, and sounding signs, that life must again and again surpass itself!
And people try to tell me that Nietzsche didn't read Stirner? Please.
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>>8281842
>quoting a translation
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>>8281882
>translations can't be accurate
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>>8281842
He also didn't read Kierkegaard, but both went on about recurrence or return or whatever you want to quote. No doubt the phantom thing like the spook thing is to do with Hegel's Time-Ghost.
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Which books of the bible should I read?
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Preferably all of them, but if not:
Read the Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Number, Deuteronomy.
Read the beautiful stuff: Ecclesiastes, Job, Song of Solomon
Read Isaiah, the only prophetic work required to fully understand the weight of the NT
Read all of the Gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Read Acts.
Primary Epistles: Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Timothy, Hebrews, 1/2/3 John
And of course read Revelation.
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>>8281625
All of these and also Daniel
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>>8281625
lol don't read Leviticus or Numbers or Deuteronomy unless you really want to. It isn't necessary unless for study.
Also not mentioned, Proverbs and Isaiah
>tfw can't even make myself eat healthily anymore due to existential crisis reasons ("Who cares, looking good is a spook" or "Procrastinating this won't mater, having low willpower won't matter" etc)
>tfw struggling to have any beliefs at all (whether to work hard or be lazy)
>as shown by my 4chan presence I just do whatever is lowbrow enough to manipulate me (internet, fast food)
wat do???
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Read something by Grant Morrison.
Read something by Camus.
Think about death. Realize it's inevitable. Realize it comes for everyone.
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>>8281600
>I don't have any real problems so I will just invent some
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>>8281600
that's just depression m8, not some sort of existential crisis.
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Is this one of Pynchon's worst? I've read Lot 49, Inherent Vice, and some of Bleeding Edge. I'm really not getting Bleeding Edge so far. I want to try V. and GR eventually, but if it's like this, I think I'll pass.
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>i-is it ok if I stop reading this /l-lit/?
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>>8281520
it's still Pynchon so it's still a good read, but pales in comparison with his best work. Can't blame the old man. Finish the book, son
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>>8281520
He wrote it in his 70s while the two you're talking about were written 40-50 years prior. What do you think?
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Being a complete beginner but having a passion about literature
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I always had a passion for it but never realised it and now I want to do it and also to replace my habit of playing computer games with it.So my question is how should I begin If I want to get the best out of a book(to understand it fully).Should I just google all the terminology or there is a book that have them all explained deeply and the same with analysis(is there a good site for it or I should google it and just read all the results.)Also feel free to share any tips or things that you think might be helpful.Oh and in case youre wonder I obviously read a lot of books already just want to really focus on literature and experience it properly.
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>>8281511
Look at lit's list of recommended literature and go for the one you recognize for hearing about them before.
If you tell me what sort of things you like we could advise you better.
Read literature of your own language first obviously.
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>>8281533
>If you tell me what sort of things you like we could advise you better.
I don't have any preferences yet but I'm usually irritated by love noves
and am also really interested in surrealism(i know its a broad term) but am not sure if i'm literate enough to really read such literature.
>first
Really?I'm really interested in my country's literature but I thought they were probably influenced by west writers so I thought I might miss the point.
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>Being a complete beginner but having a passion about literature
you've spooked yourself, you don't know what passion is, the closest you've come to experiencing it has been the mind-numbing æther of vidya which you've let yourself luxuriate in for the entire nascence of your degenerate life
read the blind owl and then off yourself so you can start over and try again
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So, other than Paradife Loft, Lycidas, Il penseroso, l'allegro and a handful of his essays, are Milton's other works worth reading? I mean, I know they're worth reading; but are they worth investing the time to look up sources, explanations, critical insights, etc? I've read a few of his sonnets and they seem more like exercises in the form than meaningful contributions to his work as a whole.
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>I've read a few of his sonnets and they seem more like exercises in the form
if you read when i think how my life is spent and you think it's just an "exercise" idk what to tell ya
read samson agonistes
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>>8281417
Milton is probably the most encyclopedic author of all English tradition, the more you read the more what you've already read gets reinforced or expanded.
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>>8281417
Milton and Shakespeare are GOAT,
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What did Jack Kerouac mean by this?
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"im a degenerate faggot with no talent"
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>>8281495
Many "made up stories" are literature though
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Jesus, he can't write for shit.
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Lit, how do I be a bad writer?
Unlike you guys, I don't want to write well. I want to write awfully. But I keep writing stuff and it ends up coming out good, or interesting. It's maddening and there's no real help on this front.
I thought maybe you'd know better than anyone else.
Thanks,
Jeremy
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>>8281293
Sample of my work
>Ahhhh the turd said as it slid out of an anus and was flushed away to the sewers, feeling bliss. For you see to the turd this was the end of a long and arduous life-cycle that begun as part of a cow. Now he was going to dissolve into water, be purified, and one with the Earth. Briefly, before his consciousness left him, he felt a sense of gratitude for all the humans who made this possible. The Tao was real.
See this isn't actually that bad. People want to keep reading and I don't know why. It doesn't matter how repugnant I make the subject matter or how ridiculous the writing is. People just gobble it up. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, guys.
Thanks,
Jeremy
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>>8281293
That's half like asking how do i become bad at the science of physics, and half like asking how do i become bad at carpentry... you can't accomplish the former without intentionally causing harm to your brain, probably. The answer to the latter is obvious but you probably think it's too obvious so you dismiss it. You become bad at carpentry by not doing the things you are supposed to do to be good at carpentry in the way you are supposed to do them. Which is a little interesting because it means that only good writers can write in the absolute worst way (technically worst, mind you, not in the most "repulsive" way which is another topic.) Somewhat like how only someone knowledgeable of laws can break all of them when one would expect the thief or murderer for example to be the greatest lawbreaker. The idea behind skill acquisition is interesting in this way: It -conceptually but not neurologically speaking- has to do with learning all the things that are wrong by learning the exact small set of things which are correct, thus enabling you to avoid the most amount mistakes... So to write the worst be the absolute best writer or as good a writer as a human can be... and in this vein you can dial it down and commit as many mistakes as you can according to your knowledge.
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>>8281527
(im obviously only assuming you "would be good at physics and carpentry". Whether or not you actually are is besides the point.)
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What books should I read while visiting London?
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Peter Ackroyd's biography of London is excellent.
Apart from that, the quintessential London author is Dickens.
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>>8281615
Wow, I downloaded this image to my HDD. Do I have permission to post it on my FaceBook? I think it's gonna be a real hoot!
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>Richard K. Morgan's books are generally set in a post-extropianist dystopian world. Morgan described his "takeaway" of one of his books as
>Society is, always has been and always will be a structure for the exploitation and oppression of the majority through systems of political force dictated by an élite, enforced by thugs, uniformed or not, and upheld by a wilful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the very majority whom the system oppresses.
God damn, why are sci fi authors such faggots? Even Robert Heinlein had to insert polyamory into everything he wrote.
The Kovacs novels are great but so many sci fi authors are left-wing faggots who think they're edgy and cool for reciting the same marxist horse shit they were taught in school and TV.
At least Orson Scott Card actually has balls.
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>Taskeshi Kovacs
As a Hungarian this sounds so fucking cringe, I would never touch these books.
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>reading pulp scifi trash
plebe
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>>8281233
He's from a planet colonized by a Japanese elite with slav working class.
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Islam is part of our daily lives wether we want or not. I for one would like to learn more about it, since I know so little. Thus my question is, are there any books you could recommend that deal with Islam? Fact or fiction, both would be good, although I'd rather read some fact first. And please don't tell me to just read wikipedia, I've done that but I find it to be very boring and would rather read an actual book.
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>>8281213
>Islam is part of our daily lives wether we want or not
It doesn't have to be.
Here's a good resource on it, though.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
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>>8281213Start with the hindis
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>>8281213
A History of Islamic Societies: Ira Lapidus
The Great Arab Conquests: Hugh Kennedy
A Season of Migration to the North: Saleh
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Can we talk about this a little? I haven't really been exposed to other's thoughts about it before.
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Others' ***
Whoopsies.
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>>8281173
this isnt reddit
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>>8281176
But really is it not the thought of The Other we expose ourselves to? And is it not natural to make it the proper noun, for it represents to us the only thing without ourselves, the Pozzo to our Estragon. What I am trying to say here is that when we cry out for multiple interpretation is it not the case that we wish the universe to agree with us, rather than us to agree with the universe and so on.