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2016-07-17 01:54:25 Post No.8287012
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What's the definitive translation of the odyssey? It seems the fagles translation is the highest rated on goodreads, but the penguin classics has a beautiful and inexpensive hardcover edition, and there doesn't seem to be a nice hardcover of the fagles edition. If it really comes down to it, I would be happy to sacrifice getting a beautiful hardcover copy for a better translation, but if it doesn't make a difference then I'll go for the hard cover.

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:59:56 Post No.8287036
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Merrill's
You can find the whole thing here
http://www.press.umich.edu/17212/odyssey/?s=look_inside

It's in dactylic hexameter and is the most faithful translation along with Lattimore's

Anonymous 2016-07-17 02:02:25 Post No.8287046
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>>8287036
That is beautiful

Anonymous 2016-07-17 02:08:39 Post No.8287073
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 02:08:39 Post No.8287073 [Report]

A lot of people like Pope but I can't find a physical copy anywhere. Not a fan of digital versions of ancient stuff due to lack of notes etc

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:53:56 Post No. 8287011 [Report] [View this topic]

Could I find a sense of self in literature? If so how?

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:55:18 Post No.8287017
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:55:18 Post No.8287017 [Report]

I'm actively puzzled by what you're asking. Specify?

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:56:37 Post No.8287022
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:56:37 Post No.8287022 [Report]

>>8287011
>women, blacks, homosexuals, liberals, leftists THE LIST

what numale pleb put that shit together???

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:59:38 Post No.8287034
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:59:38 Post No.8287034 [Report]

>>8287011
It works for Marxists and Christians.

Anonymous
Does a man need anything else? 2016-07-17 01:41:19 Post No.8286950
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Does a man need anything else? Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:41:19 Post No. 8286950 [Report] [View this topic]

Ulysses
Brothers Karamazov
Don Quixote
Shakespeare's works
Iliad and Oddissey

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:44:47 Post No.8286963
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>>8286950
Validation, apparently

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:46:15 Post No.8286975
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:46:15 Post No.8286975 [Report]

Food, shelter.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:47:49 Post No.8286983
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>>8286963

You are funny

Anonymous
2016-07-17 01:08:07 Post No.8286844
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:08:07 Post No. 8286844 [Report] [View this topic]

Tell me about some great Victorian literature.

Anything from poetry to gothic fiction to philosophy

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:14:26 Post No.8286866
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>>8286844
Middlemarch

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:32:07 Post No.8286917
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>>8286866
Middlemarch
Unless you don't want to see a host of characters fully realized and bouncing off of one another like the pinball machine of the human condition

Anonymous 2016-07-17 06:56:48 Post No.8287962
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 06:56:48 Post No.8287962 [Report]

>>8286844
Tennyson
Swinburne
Browning

Anonymous
2016-07-17 00:49:35 Post No.8286786
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:49:35 Post No. 8286786 [Report] [View this topic]

What are the greatest Philosophical Fiction books?

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:51:25 Post No.8286792
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:51:25 Post No.8286792 [Report]

Camus

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:56:19 Post No.8286806
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:56:19 Post No.8286806 [Report]

Great question. A few picks:

>Reza Negarestani - Cyclonopedia
https://ciudadtecnicolor.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cyclonopedia.pdf

>Giorgio Manganelli - Hilarotragoedia
https://www.uploady.com/#!/download/OABBZBrG2am/vU7ck2ZRH1kc4N2V

Relying on other anons to give you older titles.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:05:19 Post No.8286832
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>>8286806
I can find these both in english right?

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2016-07-17 00:17:28 Post No.8286663
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:17:28 Post No. 8286663 [Report] [View this topic]

Which books have the best songs? I really like the ones in LOTR

Gilthoniel! O Elbereth!
Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath!
Snow-white! Snow-white! We sing to thee
In a far land beyond the sea.

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:18:30 Post No.8286667
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>>8286663
nothing triggers me faster than when a book breaks into song.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:19:29 Post No.8286671
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>>8286667
Its god tier if done right, cheesy if the author clearly has no poetic talent

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:20:08 Post No.8286673
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>>8286671
So what about LOTR in your opinion?

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2016-07-16 23:59:56 Post No.8286609
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:59:56 Post No. 8286609 [Report] [View this topic]

What are the criteria for good prose?

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:06:20 Post No.8286631
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:06:20 Post No.8286631 [Report]

The prose has to be good.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:22:19 Post No.8286681
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:22:19 Post No.8286681 [Report]

when you read it and you're like "Woah!"

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:28:56 Post No.8286709
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>>8286609
Nice pic.

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/clg/ - Classic Literature General 2016-07-16 23:54:27 Post No.8286588
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/clg/ - Classic Literature General Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:54:27 Post No. 8286588 [Report] [View this topic]

Let's have a general dedicated to only talking about the Classics.

What's the best translation of the Oresteia trilogy? I was deciding between either Fagles or the Oxford University Press one. Any suggestions?

>inb4 learn Ancient Greek (yeah I'll get to that eventually)

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 09:01:46 Post No.8288211
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This thread may be dead, but I would still like to ask this in case anybody sees it.

What is the best version of The Quest of The Golden Fleece? I've been checking out the Penguin Classics and the Oxford World's Classics ones.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 11:20:06 Post No.8288275
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If there is a Loeb translation I go for it. If there is not I go for any 19th century translation. Maybe it is just me but I prefer a more literal translation, and majority of the loeb translation is understandable.

People shit on loeb too much imho.

I don't like to read teubner etc with major critical aparatus as I don't read for research etc purposes. Nor I appreciate little footnotes explaining basic concepts when there are far better books which delve into the said authors work. The english as I said is not that different even for the earliest loeb, moreover many are updated with new translations.

I rather read for example, loeb of plato + a secondary source "Guide to Plato's Works". But thats just me, I just like the literal translation.

Anonymous 2016-07-17 13:24:58 Post No.8288498
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>>8288275
I've heard nothing but good things about Loeb here on /lit/ though. I will definitely try to gey one despite it being not exactly the cheapest thing. That comes with the original text in Greek too, right?

>>8288211
Oxford usually puts out better translations than Penguin.

Anonymous
LETS GET IT ON 2016-07-16 23:50:22 Post No.8286572
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LETS GET IT ON Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:50:22 Post No. 8286572 [Report] [View this topic]

tinychat / 4chanlit

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:55:22 Post No.8286590
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:55:22 Post No.8286590 [Report]

>>8286572
>no clover
>no reason to be there

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:21:02 Post No.8286675
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>>8286590
nOOOO!

Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:42:26 Post No.8286758
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:42:26 Post No.8286758 [Report]

>2:41 am

is it worth it? never been to one of these shitty tinychat things before but i'm pretty drunk so i might give it a shot.

or are there only retards?

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2016-07-16 23:44:43 Post No.8286546
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:44:43 Post No. 8286546 [Report] [View this topic]

Can a novel written in 2016 in the style of an 1800s British novel ever be considered as good as the novels it is paying homage to?

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:46:30 Post No.8286555
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:46:30 Post No.8286555 [Report]

wait ten more years before you can us that meme nostalgically

Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:48:03 Post No.8286564
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:48:03 Post No.8286564 [Report]

Isn't that what Pynchon tried to do in Mason Dixon

Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:48:36 Post No.8286566
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:48:36 Post No.8286566 [Report]

I don't see why it would. Otherwise 19th century British Novels would be best sellers right now.

Why would you want to write that? Who would read it?

Anonymous
2016-07-16 23:40:56 Post No.8286533
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:40:56 Post No. 8286533 [Report] [View this topic]

opinions on this guy? i'm thinking of reading the amazing adventures of cavalier & clay

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:49:42 Post No.8286569
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:49:42 Post No.8286569 [Report]

I really like him but I'm worried that if I read his stuff again it'll seem too literary fictiony / bathetic

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>>8286569
is the book in the op a good starting point for him?

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 00:00:22 Post No.8286612 [Report]

Don't waste your time. The book is like the Oscar Bait of literature.

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2016-07-16 23:40:28 Post No.8286531
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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:40:28 Post No. 8286531 [Report] [View this topic]

Let's try something. Take this test by accepting the following challenge, and I will reveal later in the thread who failed and who passed (i.e. we'll reveal the plebs):

Here is a list of 10 ostensibly great works of literature. 3 of them don't belong. Which three works are they?

>The Tunnel by Gass
>Invisible Man by Ellison
>A Farewell to Arms by Hemingway
>The Waves by Woolf
>The Sound and the Fury by Faulkner
>Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
>The Unnamable by Beckett
>Finnegans Wake by Joyce
>Lolita by Nabokov
>Underworld by Delillo

Prove you're not a pleb, /lit/.

Protip: If you think there is any configuration of this list that IS NOT pleb, then you're even more pleb than the people who get this wrong.

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:41:55 Post No.8286535
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>>8286531
Gass, Woolf, Nabokov

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:44:04 Post No.8286543 [Report]

>>8286531
Infinite Jest
Underworld
The Tunnel

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>>8286535
>>8286543
Oh dear.

Please proceed to r/books

Anonymous
Reccomendation thread 2016-07-16 23:13:23 Post No.8286433
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Reccomendation thread Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:13:23 Post No. 8286433 [Report] [View this topic]

Recommendation thread, sci-fi edition.

I'll start;
The moon is a harsh mistress
The long Earth Saga
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:16:34 Post No.8286446
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>>8286433
Was Heinlein an Arsenal fan?

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>>8286446
no

Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:11:16 Post No.8286853
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Anonymous 2016-07-17 01:11:16 Post No.8286853 [Report]

Uhhhhh ganre ficton

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Umberto Eco Thread 2016-07-16 23:09:16 Post No.8286422
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Umberto Eco Thread Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:09:16 Post No. 8286422 [Report] [View this topic]

I don't think there is chart about him yet. What's the recommended order to read him?

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Anonymous 2016-07-16 23:30:42 Post No.8286497
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>>8286422
are you interested in Eco novels or in the non-fictional ones?

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Anonymous 2016-07-17 11:59:02 Post No.8288335 [Report]

I recently finished Foucaults Pendulum, its very good, difficult but thrilling. If anyone has any links to essays or critiques on that book I would love to read it, I have only found pseudo intellectual "what if everyone was dead" type of essays. I found the ending to be a criticism of Death of the Author, and the occult societies a postmodern interpretation of all history. Interesting stuff. Not sure of the point of Diotavelli though.

Eco is a great author

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