Is it worth it to sacrifice political and historical knowledge in order to spend more time on literature/fiction/poetry?
yes
"non fiction" is a meme
literature teaches the same things as nonfiction. it's just for people who can read between the lines.
you could be a /pol/bot and memorize the wiki intro to every political ideology there is and have a dictionary understanding of them all, but what's the use if you cannot think?
no
"fiction" is a meme
>someone has more knowledge than me and I know I could never engage in a debate with them
Fuck I feel anxious every time this happens
Is it possible to have more knowledge than everyone?
>>8348683
Yes but only for one person.
>>8348689
What about have more knowledge than most intellectuals?
Knowledge is relative
You think a lawyer knows as much about medicine as a doctor?
This is why humility is so important, work with others and use eqch others knowledge to mutual benefit. Its how civilization is born.
Literature by Origin
God Tier
Russian, Portuguese
Top Tier
Brazilian, Italian, Irish
High Tier
British, French, Spanish, Greek, Argentinean
Medium Tier
Dutch, German, Chinese
Low Tier
Japanese, US /lit/
Shit Tier
Everything else
Do you agree, /lit/?
Ebin xD
>>8348598
What a retarded thread.
>>8348598
>no persian
>Argentina higher than Japan
What a retard
to become a polymath
>>8348537
Anons will laugh if you say polymath. So let's say generalist instead. Now that we got that covered:
I suggest you start just reading around the internet on different subjects and when you find something that interests you search for papers on google scholar and if necessary scihub. Most likely you'll start finding books, but you can also search for books on the subjects that interest you.
Next for a more controversial proposal: go to the science related subreddits and ask questions there and book and paper recommendations.
Being a generalist is all about being curious and searching and finding new information. When you start, you cannot go back.
>>8348537
Another thing that is useful is looking at the goodreads "readers also enjoyed" and the recommendations it gives based on your read and to read shelf have been useful for me to find new books.
>can't even read anymore because of untreated mental illness
at least browsing /lit/ keeps me from staying in bed all day
>>8348486
Adderall
>>8348486
>browsing /lit/
But you can't read
You just look at the pictures?
>>8348492
I meant literature. I can't get the juices flowing in my mind anymore and my head doesn't piece lines together correctly and I can't concentrate. It's actually a lot of trouble to read posts here and write this but I have nothing better to do
Kirillov a qt
>>8348373
I don't get why he committed suicide
>>8348390
He thought that God existed primarily as a way to avoid suicide and that by killing himself he placed himself above God and therefore became God. Christian symbolism clearly had an effect on him as he made himself into a Christlike figure who died for the sins of others
I prefer Stavr
/lit/, which author/philosopher was it who said something in the lines of "who we are is formed in the eyes of others"/"our persona exists through our observers" or something like that.
I'm pretty sure it was Camus but I can't find it through google. Anyone here knows?
>>8348349
Oh I know that:start with the greeks.
>>8348349
He didn't make that quote, but Lacan's general psychoanalytic theory echoes that statement.
I feel like poetry is inherently childish. Not pretentious, childish. Language is a tool, sharp and fine tool that the best craftsmen (writers) can use to create wondrous feats of human intellect and emotion. But poetry fetishizes the tool itself. Poets are more concerned with sharpening their tools and making quick, shallow strokes on the water just to show how well it works. Picrelated is how I see the entire body of poetry, an intellectual sketch and no more
Say that to these babies:
She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
— To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
(…)
MERCUTIO: O, then I see Queen Mab hath been with you.
She is the fairies' midwife, and she comes
In shape no bigger than an agate stone
On the forefinger of an alderman,
Drawn with a team of little atomies
Over men's noses as they lie asleep;
Her wagon spokes made of long spinners' legs,
The cover, of the wings of grasshoppers;
Her traces, of the smallest spider web;
Her collars, of the moonshine's wat'ry beams;
Her whip, of cricket's bone; the lash, of film;
Her wagoner, a small grey-coated gnat,
Not half so big as a round little worm
Pricked from the lazy finger of a maid;
Her chariot is an empty hazelnut,
Made by the joiner squirrel or old grub,
Time out o' mind the fairies' coachmakers.
And in this state she gallops night by night
Through lovers' brains, and then they dream of love;
O'er courtiers' knees, that dream on curtsies straight;
O'er lawyers' fingers, who straight dream on fees;
O'er ladies' lips, who straight on kisses dream,
Which oft the angry Mab with blisters plagues,
Because their breaths with sweetmeats tainted are.
Sometimes she gallops o'er a courtier's nose,
And then dreams he of smelling out a suit;
And sometimes comes she with a tithe-pig's tail
Tickling a parson's nose as 'a lies asleep,
Then dreams he of another benefice.
Sometimes she driveth o'er a soldier's neck,
And then dreams he of cutting foreign throats,
Of breaches, ambuscadoes, Spanish blades,
Of healths five fathom deep; and then anon
Drums in his ear, at which he starts and wakes,
And being thus frighted, swears a prayer or two
And sleeps again. This is that very Mab
That plats the manes of horses in the night
And bakes the elflocks in foul sluttish hairs,
Which once untangled much misfortune bodes.
This is the hag, when maids lie on their backs,
That presses them and learns them first to bear,
Making them women of good carriage.
This is she!
(…)
Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.
>>8348293
dam. really made me think
in fact, wtf i hate poetry now
A childish poem would be about farts. An adult poem would be about work. What you should've been smart enough to realize is that some poetry is childish and some poetry isn't. Also I think it's fucking stupid you think being childish is something wrong. Children are fucking geniuses when it comes to figuring thing out, I wish I still figured stuff out that fast. I know about of useless shit and I can use my intelligence to make interesting connections, but if a kid new all this shit and still looked at it with a childlike wonder; he could say a lot of interesting stuff too.
What book should I read first lit
The black one is Mastery by Robert Greene
Thanks :)
>>8348267
Dump all of that inconsequential nonsense and read Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics.
>>8348308
this
also read Philebus by Plato
>>8348267
My diary is obligatory.
/lit/ - give me the opening line of whatever it is you're working on; novels, short stories, poems, essays whatever.
"I sat contentedly on mother's bergere. 'My fish fingers will be ready soon', I thought."
>>8348227
>"It's a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a fragile ego, must be in want of the redpill'
From 'The Diary of a Redpiller - my memeoirs''
>you will never lick those feet
I went to daaaance
>see people on the internet talking about books that they enjoy
>tfw I don't enjoy books because I'm forcing myself through boring as fuck canon novels
>tfw they're garbage but someone might call me a pleb if I haven't read them
>tfw Victorian novels are really stodgy pieces of shit but people keep wanking over them
>tfw Plato was stupid
>tfw Dickens is like reading one of Grandpa Simpson's interminable stories
>Dostoevsky is just "DUDE GROW UP AND ACCEPT JESUS LMAO"
>tfw clearly see how the Munchhausen Trilemma allows me to disregard anything but I still force myself to read boring as fuck philosophical works
>tfw all the 50s to 90s post modern books are unfunny, long winded, lolsorandumb pieces of shit
>tfw Pynchon simply could not put together a coherent work ("Tee-hee, what is coherent? What is not? Look I'm so smart, my Wikipedia info dump chapters prove it! Now watch my mountain of nuthugging pseud fans defend me by appealing to the establishments that post modernism calls in to question!")
>DFW's this is water speech, even after years of Amherst grown (genuinely intelligent in an analytical way) intellectualism, folds immediately back in to the sea of trivial platitudes, indistinguishable from the most banal Mid West fly over state soccer mom self help, and DFW knew it all too well
I don't really see the point of philosophy.
Seems like it exists because science can't measure everything yet.
read fantasy lmao
fuck the canon
But still read the Bible and the greeks. There's literally nothing to lose and everything to gain.
>>8348210
you're immature and anti-intellectual I'm afraid
some people are just unfit for high art by birth
does anyone have a suggestion for a book that can genuinely help someone that is seriously depressed or suicidal
ib4 exit core ib4 religion ib4 do it faggot
I'm not even that depressed right now, I'm just wondering
Works - Seneca
On the Nature of Things - Lucretius
Sayings of the Desert Fathers
>>8348166
what about novels or poetry
Not in any major way. A book can't rid you of depression, maybe alleviate it slightly at best.
Is Franzen right? Is television also a novel?
>Is Franzen right
No.
>>8348097
Ok seriously how hard would it be to murder him and get away with it.
They are two separate mediums that produce completely different outcomes from one another. They may have parralels, but to put them in the same vein makes little sense.
So I finished reading "Finnegans wake"....
I didn't Understand it
But i read it
>>8348056
Nobody does
>>8348056
this describes everyone's experiance
>>8348056
You piece of shit. You're detracting conversation from my superior Finnegans Wake thread. Delet
>watching the MSM gang up on you-know-who
>watching the English language becoming debased before my eyes
>watching the Twitter and BBC virtue signalers orgasming in public daily
>watching the media weaponise pseudo intellectual non rigorous idea sound bites from psychology, economists, and Humanities / social science in general
>realise that I would crush my employment prospects if I expressed my tame political views in public
If it wasn't for Br*xit I would have zero hope for humanity.
why do you force yourself to consume then
>>8348033
I have no friends irl and pol is by far the most dynamic board despite being a bit dumb
>>8348029
saged