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History books recommendation thread /lit/?
Just finished this, was pretty good.
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>>8395833
A proper indictment of Belgians everywhere.
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Also Wedgwood's 30 Years War
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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/young-adult-fiction-doesnt-need-to-be-a-gateway-to-the-classics/381959/#article-comments
>I'm sure that comparing Riordan to Hemingway is going to cause a certain amount of wailing and denunciation. But that's the thing about aesthetics; there isn't a single standard, or a single agreed-upon rubric for what is "good." Graham tentatively suggests that the Percy Jackson books are too beholden to their own time, and timelessness or universality is, of course, often used as a measure of quality. But it's not a very convincing measure.
>As just one example, most of the classic children's literature books—Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Narnia, Treasure Island—look very dated today by virtue of their overwhelming whiteness, their time-bound, helpless inability to imagine that people come in more than one skin color. Rick Riordan, in contrast, takes care in his books to include heroes of many ethnic backgrounds: Hispanic, black, Asian, and Native American, as well as white. Children of the gods in his novels also often have learning disabilities; dyslexia is seen not as a failure, but as a mark of specialness or heroism. Thomas told me, "I do think that [Riordan] does a better job with diversity than some of the middle-grade texts I grew up with," and she added that the books were very popular among her nephews and nieces, and among the middle-school children she works with in Philadelphia. Riordan has a more thoughtful, original, aesthetically considered take on issues of marginalization and diversity than do the D'Aulaires, or for that matter, than does Hemingway. It seems likely that many kids take that into account, in various ways, when they respond to his books. Should we really be so quick to assume that their taste is debased?
>That's a lesson that adults have trouble with, if the condescension and contempt in the discussion of children's reading is any indication. Maybe the people who really need to read Percy Jackson are the grown-ups.
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>>8395811
This rustled my harambes.
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>>8395811
>But that's the thing about aesthetics; there isn't a single standard, or a single agreed-upon rubric for what is "good."
Stopped reading there, any critic who resorts to this loses all credibility in my eyes.
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>>8395811
Amelia Bassano Lanier was technically black because she was of Hebrew descent (do a quick google search on the ancestry of Hebrews, they all have Canaanite blood). But they lessen their argument by depicting her as that black.
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Virgil? More like Virgin! xD
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Immanuel Kant? More like Immanuel Cunt x)
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/lit/ thread? More like /shit/ thread
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>>8395777
Anonymous? More like Angrymous :(
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I remember someone once posted a rar file with epubs of books usually recommend/discussed here. It had a few folders titled
>reading genre fiction
>hipsters will hype
and others.
I no longer have it. Anyone knows what I'm talking about and has a download link maybe?
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Bumping out of interest
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>>8395835
Same
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dont have it but interested aswell
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Do you think you have to see Shakespeare's plays performed in person to appreciate them? What's the best Shakespeare play? Are his comedies or tragedies better? What's the best play for a beginner?
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If you don't live in London, it will be hard to find a staging worth of your money. An acceptable alternative is Movies or Shakespeare's Globe on screen rips. Try the historical plays first, the Henriad for example. Henry IV is pretty simple and has a lot of comic apartés with the young prince and Sir John Faltsaff that are genuinely hilarious. Look for the 2012 Shakespeare's Globe version, easy to find on TPB. If you like it, watch Henry V and maybe Richard III.
Then, when you are used to shakespearian language, go for his masterpieces. I'd suggest Macbeth, you have many good movies like Justin Kurzel's Macbeth (2015), Roman Polanski's (1970) or Orson Welles (~1960). Don't watch the Royal Shakespeare's version, it has Ian Mc Kellen and shit but the directing is retarded.
Hamlet is damn long but it has some of the best monologues : look for Kenneth Brannagh's 1996 film. King Lear is a really powerful play, look for a stage version, or go for the 1985 japanese film Ran. It has a slightly diffent plot, it doesn't have the text, but it can help you to understand the real one. I hope this will be useful senpai
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>>8395734
I went to see a college production of Othello.
>black guy playing Othello
did a 360 and moonwalked out of there
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>girl brags about how she reads books
>ask her what books she reads
>she reads genre fiction
>mfw
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>>8395732
Wheras you only read the finest literature such as Infinite Jest, Lolita and Dorian Gray.
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>>8395748
coming in hot from the sci fi crowd. fucking fag
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>>8395755
Ahh, let me stroke your little neck.
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Post books that offer absolutely no solace at all. Books that seem to be written just to depress the reader.
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>>8395664
First meme, best meme.
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You're looking for Philip Mainländer, OP.
>be philosopher
>write and publish book about how life is meaningless
>get newly printed copies of said book, stack them and use them as a platform to commit suicide by hanging
>bonus: get forgotten in history except for by Nietzsche, who calls you "the mawkish apostle of virginity".
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Hey /lit/! I'm a newfag on this board and I'd love some book suggestions within the topic of philosophy and related genres. I am a lover of medieval texts and historical writings of said time period, so if wish to suggest that I would be grateful!
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>>8395649
The best way to start with philosophy is ancient Greece and Rome, I would recommend that you read some Plato, Ciceron, Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Seneca first. The presocratics are vastly more interesting to me than Plato/Aristoteles, but I think they could be hard as a starting point.
The same applies to historical texts, you have a vast range of ancient historiography that is somewhat mixed with philosophy and mythology.
I would recommend, Herodotus, Thucydides, Plutarch, Caesar (yes, the man himself)... should be enough for a start.
If you're just looking for a good book as a start I would recommend the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius (Also known as Ad se Ipsum, Selbstgesprache... depends of the translation)
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I always recommend this to newfags even though it's not a book desu:
http://historyofphilosophy.net/
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>>8395679
This is really nice. Thanks for sharing!
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Can you guys recommend me some novels where the plot is not in a chronological order?
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>>8395552
i tell you them after you've read em.
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>>8395552
I don't know whether you've heard of it or not. There's a book called Infinite Jest by this guy David Foster Wallace that does that.
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>>8395552
the time traveller's wife
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Starting a seminar on transcendentalist/19th century American lit this year. This is (part) of my syllabus: the prof admitted the coursework may change depending on the direction the seminar chooses to focus on.
What do you think?
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could be cool
i had a miserable class in the same kind of stuff freshmanm year...
hawthorne, emerson, and thoreau are dope, poe is a cuck fag
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>>8395551
Yeah, I'm hoping we focus mostly on Poe's theory and criticism, even though some of his stories are top-notch.
I did a quick reread of his stuff back when that The Following show came out, and I wasn't nearly as enthusiastic as I was back when I was 16. Go figure.
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>>8395605
Oh wait, I forgot about The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym. Fuck you, Poe's great.
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Why does art transform unpleasurable events into pleasurable ones by substracting us from the subjective experience of those events? Also, why do volcanoes (that are an external crystalization of destruction) or lions (an external form of violence) create an experience of pleasure when observed, but do the opposite if one partakes in such destruction or violence?
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>Why does art transform unpleasurable events into pleasurable ones by substracting us from the subjective experience of those events?
It doesn't necessarily, there is a lot of great art that is made to make you uncomfortable.
And because neither lava nor lions are consious beings with moral codes.
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>>8395462
maybe you should read schoppy on the sublime first?
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>>8396761
But is still weird how say a tragedy makes us feel enjoyment, atleast given the typical explanation that one identifies with the characters. The only explanation would then be masochism, and if we don't identify then sadism; but none of these make much sense.
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Hey /lit/ what is beauty?
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pretty girls
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I'm writer.
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Something that attracts admiration
Your top 3 "book authors"
Nietzche, Evola and Hall, in no particular order
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>>8395396
That's an oblique way of saying "I'm a Nazi virgin"
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>>8395396
Lem, Mishima, Nabokov
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Think of the most postmodern title possible for a Y/A book, and have another anon guess what the premise of the book is.
Pic unrelated.
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What a fun game!
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>>8395329
Dinner Eggs
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"We've run out of Kellogg's"
why do you hate vonnegut
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nice meme.
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I don't. Vonnegut gets a bad rap by people who only scratch the surface. Everyone calls him a science fiction author but he's really a satirist. Vonnegut takes concepts like religion and empathy and takes a giant shit on them by portraying them with these wild, fantastical stories. He does it so well that half the time people don't realize he's taking the piss in the first place. I know people who take the religion from Cat's Cradle seriously. Vonnegut is wildly underrated for what he did and he deserves his place in the canon if Camus does.
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>>8395333
thank you. i found it earlier today, gave me a hearty chuckle.