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Hi, Lit, I was hoping you could help me understand this book. I see it discussed on this board and often regarded as quite good, but I understand that it references a lot of other works, without much explaination, like Family Guy. I actually quite enjoy this style of humor, but it is only funny to me if I understand the reference. Would someone please tell me what are all books and things you had to read first to understand everything that was going on? Thanks!
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Odyssey, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man and Hamlet are a must. I'd say these are enough to get a basic grasp, but there's so much more to read if you want to get it more. For example, lots of Irish history, and world history too, other Shakespeare's work, certain poets (Yeats, Keats etc) and so on and so forth.
Don't be discouraged when you realize that you won't get it all, nobody ever does. I'm sure Joyce put in some personal things which no one would get other than him.
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>>8407449
What do you mean by "get it all"?
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http://blog.frankdelaney.com/re-joyce/

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>start with the greeks

But what about the Mesopotamians?

Also can you folks recommend any literature from before 0AD, that isn't Greek or Roman?
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>>8407394
>Mesopotamians
KANGZ
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>>8407394
Chinese classics of course. Classic of Poetry, Daodejing, Zhuangzi, Hanfeizi, the list could quite literally go on.
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>>8407394
Gilgamesh

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Why should i read a book about birdwatching?
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BECAUSE NYRB IS PUBLISHING IT

LOOK AT THAT COVER

BEAUTIFUL
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Because you're a boring spastic with no beauty in your life
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>>8407307
Because Werner Herzog told you too you faggot.

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/lit/ I need some opinions on Beckett's trilogy, how good is it?
I've read Endgame yesterday, it was my first contact with his work, and I absolutely adored the play, so I started to search for Waiting for Godot, but the price in my country is extremely expensive, for the same money I can buy his whole trilogy, so should I get the trilogy or Godot?
I'm a poorfag so right now I can only choose one.

pleasehelp
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>>8407235
Get the trilogy bro. Godot is more interesting to watch, and I think you'd be disappointed in how much literature you get for your buck.
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Dude just download ebooks if money is an issue. The Trilogy is amazing, but Murphy and Watt might even be better. I disagree with >>8407251 I think Beckett's plays read well. Then again i've never watched on in person.
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>>8407268
They read okay but a good performance is much better.

To be fair a good performance of Godot is quite difficult to find, most people do it too seriously/morosely and miss the jokes, and quite a few try to put too much of their own spin on it.

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Is Marxism the opiate of the intellectuals?
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>>8407159
If you only consider people with art degrees intellectuals.
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Pretty much yeah.

Part of the reason I think is that Marxism offers critique of the status quo, whether or not it is correct.

Most people who are pro-capitalist tend to not give a shit about anything negative about capitalism, because they think the system is moral.
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>>8407166
They consider "the system" amoral, not moral.

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for eg:
http://salvage.zone/in-print/from-choice-to-polarity-politics-of-in-and-and-art/

every semester i read this shit i want kill professors. i feel insincerity and torture bleeding up through the writing. language and terminology of identity politics so hideously assertive, self assured. i feel that art is being strangled.

how can i stop giving a shit. i don't want to hate oppressed minorities.
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>>8407121
>those little hammers and sickles between paragraphs
Anon you don't have to read every piece of opinionated trash you find.
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>In 1981, the South African novelist Lauretta Ngcobo published Cross of Gold. Some feminists criticised the novel for blindspots over gender, for the fact that its narrative was constructed on the early death of the female character Sindisiwe. Rather than provoking her to double down, this led Ngcobo to consider her own politics of representation. Out of which reflection she wrote her second novel, years later, with the pointed title And They Didn’t Die. This latter book revolved around women as subjects.

fucking critics need to write their own goddamned novels. this isn't hollywood, anyone can fill 250 pages with a diverse cast having unique experiences if thats what gets your dick wet
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>>8407132
Identity politics aren't even very radica politically and philosophicallyl, which is kind of obvious with an approach that is so obsessed with individuality. But they love to play communist and try to act hardcore.

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Hope you can help me find a book that has some of the attributes featured in shadow of the colossus

>man vs gods
>higher creature tells him what to do
>bleak surrounding; surreal area
>the end justifies the means
>protagonist has a best friend
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any shitty fantasy book
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>>8407045
Didn't understand Shadow Of The Colossus, the post
SOTC is basically a Greek tragedy about fate and the smallness of man that is ultimately subverted (or is it?)
If you want the same themes read Sophocles or Homer
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>>8407088
the explanation is too simple, i think
i reckon you played the game. And now think about the whole atmosphere.
the difference between the areas of the shrine, the journey to each god and the boss areas themselves.
that is what i'm searching for.

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I this good?

I cant really say I liked Metro 2033 but this looks interesting
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>>8406994
Tho cover looks good.
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>>8406994
it's still in my plans
tho just read neuromancer if you want good cyberpunk
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why does his shit take forever to come out in english?

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Any oldfags here? What do you read?
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Oldfag as in being actually old or been on this bored a long time?
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now less than 10% of my reading time is dedicated to what could be directly or indirectly considered /lit/-core
now less than 5% of my browsing time is dedicated to making image macros and funny memes

>Religion is a set of symbols and metaphors that provides a language to express what is inexpressible
>Symbols and metaphors that I prefer
>Not more right or more wrong than another
> A religious believer can reject all religious ideology if they want to

Is there any validity in this man's religious philosophy or is he just a regressive shill?
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>>8406988

>shill

go back to your containment board. btw you are destroying what little ground there is left for discourse on your containment board with that word. not that i expect you to stop using it any time soon despite this.
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>>8406998
i didn't call him a shill, I asked if he was one
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>>8406988
I mean... I guess? I mean if you're an anticlerical religious believer, God is personal to you and institutions suck sometimes. Therefore, if you're a Christian, you use symbols like the Holy Ghost, the Father, or the Son to help communicate what you believe God to be. Or if you're a Muslim, you believe God to be an all-encompassing entity and the only entity you submit to. So symbols and metaphors are alright, shit Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard were probably (to an extent) on that train. I just don't know if that reduces religion to mythology, and if it does if that's the best way to go about it. It'd be like a Muslim saying he's a Muslim yet dismissing blatant passages in the Qur'an or not acknowledging the militant actions of Muhammad.

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Hey guys,

I've been thinking that it's time for a new sticky at the top of our board. Not necessarily a replacement of the old one (though we could work that info into a new, just longer one) but at the very least a new or updated sticky.

Why is this necessary?
Because of the 24/7 /pol/ threads usually answered in one-two posts. You know them. The threads with OPs like: "What is some redpilled literature?" "What books should I read about the fall of the West?" "Was Schopenhauer right about women?" "Give me some books that will expose women for what they are," etc.

If we consolidate a lot of the info we have into one post, we could rid ourselves forever of these banal and pointless threads.

What do you think?
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We've already got a new one.
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>>8406957
>implying the /pol/tards will stop shitting up this board because you ask
Ignoring them is the best you can do.
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>>8406957
How about just a rule for mods: delete threads that aren't about books

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Can you guys recommend some top tier novels with the theme of love?
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Milan Kundera writes some love shit and I think Unbearable Lightness of Being is top-tier as well....

Not an expert on this field at all just giving MO
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>>8406916
Ulysses is underrated as a romance novel
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>>8406916
crime and punishment
f451
don quixote
tale of 2 cities
count of monte crisco
a farewell to the arms
the miserables
flowers for algernon
1984
sarum
confessions
naruto

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This is the sexiest book I've ever read in my life. My god.
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>a fucking GERMINAL thread on /lit/
well howdy fuckin dewdy
It's a good one.
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Bought it the other day, but I still have to finish a few other books before starting Germinal. Is it good for my first zola novel? Or would you recommend something else?
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>>8406950
Germinal has characters which follow over from previous novels. I'd recommend reading L'Assommoir first, especially as Germinal recaps the events in that book, essentially spoiling it.

What does your religion (or belief system) mean to you /lit/
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complete submission. pragmatic religiosity failure. ongoing struggle between our logic and God's logic.
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The peace that surpasses all understanding.
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>>8406882
a response to revelation and inherent paradox in the universe

What are some good books about video games?
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My diary desu
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American Dreams was pretty good, if a bit short

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