/lit/, can you make a list of philosophers ranking them from the easier ones to the most difficult or deep ones?
Plato
Plato
>The Brothers Karamazov is better than The Idiot
>>8414195
>poor meme
>shit 'musician'
>wrong opinion
>no dubs
wouldnotrepost/10
/mu/ posters should be shot
>Thucydides and perhaps Machiavelli's Principe are most closely related to me owing to the absolute determination which they show of refusing to deceive themselves and of seeing reason in reality – not in "rationality," and still less in "morality." There is no more radical cure than Thucydides for the lamentably rose-coloured idealisation of the Greeks... His writings must be carefully studied line by line, and his unuttered thoughts must be read as distinctly as what he actually says. There are few thinkers so rich in unuttered thoughts... Thucydides is the great summing up, the final manifestation of that strong, severe positivism which lay in the instincts of the ancient Hellene. After all, it is courage in the face of reality that distinguishes such natures as Thucydides from Plato: Plato is a coward in the face of reality – consequently he takes refuge in the ideal: Thucydides is a master of himself – consequently he is able to master life.
Holy shit, Platonists BTFO
How will they ever recover?
>>8414190
In short: They are redpilled and might makes right while platonists are libcucks who deny reality and life
>>8414190
Holy fuck, Nietzsche was a savage.
>>8414196
>implying that Thucydides endorses the Athenian position in the Median Dialogue
Hey anon, what's the next great military operation the Athenians attempt after subjugating Melos? And how does it work out for them?
>One of the first signs of the beginning of understanding is the wish to die.
What did he mean by this?
all life is suffering (4 truths)
instead of working through the understanding and reaching peace, why not die and skip all the work?
>>8414171
really makes you think
>>8414171
I think that's a too optimistic interpretation of that sentence. I think he pretty much regards modern life to be synonymous with, or inherently tied to, suffering/discontent/death wish, etc.
Serious question. Has any writer rivaled Shakespeare for mastery of the English language?
Certainly they are more erudite authors, but none so far as I can tell, who have wielded such a command of the language as he.
>>8414115
Chaucer and Milton
>>8414115
Me.
>>8414115
shakespeare ios for fags retard
>>8414100
she didn't write it xD
does anyone else find it weird that internet celebs are considered to have "made it" once they're acknowledged by the "out of date" mediums like tv appearances, book deals etc?
>>8414169
People's minds haven't caught up with reality yet.
I have absolutely nothing interesting to say. My knowledge of literature and other intellectual pursuits is very cursory and shallow, often I pretend that I know a great deal about some author or concept while in reality I have only read a Wikipedia summary or something to that effect. I also have a tendency to repeat clever sounding expressions I've heard or read somewhere else even though I don't really have the intellectual clout to back up my reasoning. To mask this incompetence I hide behind a veneer of irony, sarcasm, local inside jokes etc. Whenever I engage in a discussion it is mostly to affirm my existing views and feel superior to people who don't agree with me, this gives me very pleasant dopamine rush.
>decide to stop being a dilletante and be honest about your cursory knowledge of subjects
>mfw others just take advantage of this to BTFO you every moment of your life
>>8414008
>dopamine rush
There you go again, anon..
>>8414008
>I have absolutely nothing interesting to say
Thank god ANYONE can frogpost!
I love this book so fucking much you guys.
what do you like about it?
>>8413990
>That's the thing about pain. It demands to be felt
mfw
this BETTER be a fucking SHITPOST friendo
What is the Neruda poem called, that ends with "1935" and "I wish that I didn't have to write this" (or something similar)?
bump once and I'm done
It's called "Me llamo Pablo Neruda y soy un maricón"
>>8414044
No, that's not the one I'm looking for.
What is the best Stephen King book /lit?
Different Seasons
Pick a random one. They're all pretty much the same.
Let me get this clear... I used to love King, and I started reading him when I was a teenage, in 1985.
The point is that when you write that much, it's natural that your plots start looking a bit too similar.
They're almost all pretty good readings, but keep in mind that:
1) You can start with any book that's not part of a series. You'll like it.
2) Sooner or later you'll start noticing the similarity in the plots and they'll become a little predictable.
3) Youl'll grow to HATE the fact that 90% of the leading characters are writers. For fuck's sake, King, write a novel about a plumber, from time to time!
>>8413976
>Youl'll grow to HATE the fact that 90% of the leading characters are writers.
This goes for literature in general though. They'll be writes or language teachers. It's easiest for them to insert into characters they share traits with. How could he write about a plumber if he hasn't done any plumbing in his life
Why is Stirner such a meme on the internet? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy some of the pictures and find them amusing but still...
>Have read "Der Einzige und sein Eigentum"
>Have read the biography by Mackay
I find nothing funny in these books or in his life. Is there a starting point to it? It would seem that most people that "meme" him have hardly even read him. As much as I enjoy it, isn't it degrading to the philosopher and his thoughts themselves; basically making them cartoon level in the eyes of people who have not understood and read him. Stirner is one of the more obscure German philosophers, how did they even find him? It's like making memes about Philipp Mainlander or something...
He deliberately made his philosophy a caricature to get it through censorship. It's the exaggerated edginess he incorporated which gives it great energy and appeal. Plus, the philosophy itself is fairly unassailable. So Max Stirner gives everyone a free license to act like a dickhead in a way which is difficult to rebut.
>>8413965
What do you mean with caricature? You are probably aware of the accusations that are made that Nietzsche was actually heavily influenced by Stirner. I personally don't believe it, since I think that both the thoughts of Nietzsche and Stirner are logical from the natural progression of philosophy. But is Nietzsche a caricature too then? There are differences, but I would say that the main one is that Stirner is not out to save anybody, he offers no solutions; while Nietzsche is focused on creating a new man and new values. Anyway can you elaborate on your claim, I'm genuinely interested. The only thing I know about the censorship is that there was some initial censorship, but that the German states of the time basically deemed the book "too obscure" for the average Joe to have any real influence. Which is not really something that speaks against the philosophy or book itself...
>>8413969
>But is Nietzsche a caricature too then?
Literally physically yes, and also in the sense that you asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQvk0t33i2Y
Thoughts on this man?
>>8413909
For real though, both Hitchens brothers are attention-seeking contrarians.
>>8413909
I like him, but wherever he is his intellectual competition are complete morons so it's hard to really understand if he's a simple pseud or knows what he is talking about.
I remember a panel with 4 people in America, one feminist and one flamboyant faggot, those two should be fucking shot.
>>8413927
What's the panel you're thinking of lad? There's been a few where he's up against faggots and feminists. The QandA one in Australia is decent, but as you said he very rarely debates anyone on his level. Check out his books if you truly want to see what he has to say, although as sound as his critiques of the modern world are he's not a fantastic writer.
For all of the memeing about this book, I want to see some actual discussion with people who have read it/are reading it
I've been at it two months as a large reading project (been reading lighter stuff as an aside) with annotations, and it's slowly but surely becoming a favorite. That one audio of Joyce reading out a passage really gave loads of context as to with what voice to approach it, and with the aid of notes I have a general idea of the plot and characters, but the prose is fucking glorious
Any thoughts?
>>8413882
hahaha you have to be a degenerate to appreciate anything by joyce. well, first you have to become learned, and then choose degeneracy from that position, you have to be always overcoming yourself, that is if you really want to get the sense of joyce. you have to expose your body to some rough shit at some point too, privation, starvation, alcohol abuse, you need to suffer.
fucking lol at the literal children who assume they can just stroll into the most bizarre orgies of literature and understand what they are seeing without holding a real stake in it.
>>8413981
shit pasta
>>8413882
givin this thread here a big FAT
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Is there a comfier book, /lit/? Sometimes I wish I could have a purpose in life as clear as the fisherman's. Maybe instead of worrying about the world as it is today, I could just think of how DiMaggio would be doing
you might like some american transcendentalism
The Bell Jar byFemale Ernest Hemingway
>>8413859
True.
Writers you'd like to spend an evening with.
Get your heads out of the gutter, I talking about conversation.
My pick in Chesterton
>>8413808
I see your Chesterton and raise you a Shaw.
Absolutely no contest
Neil Gaiman.
He legit seems like the nicest person on earth in his interviews.