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What's the point of anything?

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>>9918536
It's about metric foot and holding rhythm. When not focusing on rhyme, rhythm and meter become absolutely key in keeping time. So, I'm sure you've heard the term "iambic" before. When using the iambic metric foot, you're alternating between an unstressed syllable and a stressed syllable, in that order.
>Because I could not stop for death,
>Death kindly stopped for me.

So in this example there are four iambs per line:
>be-cause I-could not-stop for-death
and so this poem would be considered "iambic tetra meter" with some trimeter. "Tetrameter" just means there are four uses of the metric foot--iambs--per line.

Should this poem not rhyme--though it does--it would contain the underlying metric foot which then holds its place.
Meter may be subtle, or deliberately used to establish a theme through rhythm.

Take Lord Byron's 'The Destruction of Sennacherib'. It rhymes, but it also uses the anapaest metric foot of "soft-soft-hard" to establish a rhythmic similarity to the gallop of horses depicted within the poem itself.

TL;DR: The point of poems which don't rhyme are to establish underlying rhythms as their motif; usually to exemplify the ideas in the poem.

>>9918536
What's the point of poetry that does rhyme according to you?

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>>9919415

Everyone always talks about the first thunder.

No one ever talks about the other nine.

>>9919424
That's because most people don't read more than the first three pages.

>>9919415
The fall

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No eastern philosophy?

>>9918515
Add in some contemporary stuff and it'd be fairly solid.

>>9918515
for being a "essential" flowchart, there's (for example) too much Nietzsche. reduce that to BGAE, TSZ and GOM, and you're done with 90% of him

>>9918502
>never read books
>but I still know I don't like them
lol retard

>>9918532
I have never seriously read books in my life, since I was being forced to at an early stage of my life when I didn't have the attention span to support it. I've read what I've been forced to read in school, but it really just made me spite books by the end of it. I don't see any merit to reading fiction or non-fiction literature, so the only thing that's left for me is educational literature

>>9918532
Adding to my previous statement, maybe it was the fault of my education system, but I've been forced to read really boring non-fiction works of my eastern european country throughout all of middleschool and late highschool as well as greek epics like Homer which I was never really interested in, and the only thing that could have any semblance of interest like Jung, Nietzsche, or fiction like Kafka was only lightly mentioned throughout my final high school courses, at which point I already despised the idea of reading.

>>9918497
It's not genre fiction until the library at Alexandria divided the collection into comedies, tragedies, and Homeric studies.

Genre fiction isn't a problem, the problem is that world building usually is just a gimmick that doesn't add anything to the story

>>9918440
I enjoyed London Fields, Times Arrow and Money. I read a collection of jus essays and thought 'what a wanker'

>>9918450
times arrow was so bad

>ahead of it's time

Nigga do u even archetypes

But, seriously; fuck off back to /tv/

>>9918426
There are beautiful and really emotionally uncanny, haunting descriptions of (God, I hate to say it because of every faggot on /lit/ who feels obliged to say "DUDE WEED LMAO HAVE FUN FRYING YOUR BRAIN DUDE" whenever someone mentions psychs or drugs) drug trips on peyote and jimsonweed and mushrooms and stuff. Also some really weird and strangely touching shamanistic beliefs, and the constant interplay between Don Juan's coolness and lucidity and Castaneda's own self-admitted histrionicity, insincerity, and inability to grasp certain concepts is weirdly satisfying and touching as well; the books, if nothing else, are the most complete admissions of humility I've ever read.

Warning though, the more you read Castaneda the harder it becomes not to believe that he was writing bullshit at times, or even during all of it (i.e. that Don Juan doesn't exist). But this is bullshit that has, so to speak, a certain odd resonance to it, and some kernels of truth in it to be sifted out. I've even had the weird sensation at some times that Castaneda was an alias, or something other than what he was pretending to be, and purposely disseminating esoteric/mystical information on behalf of some group (a Native American shaman or group of shamans he found?) in a veiled form.

If nothing else, no one can deny that the themes it presents of always remembering one's death, of taking responsibility for one's actions, etc., are well presented and are meaningful.

>>9918426
He's been lying for years too.

>>9918413
Probably both?

>>9918413
I read Methods of Rationality recently and it was pretty fun, but I can't imagine seriously trying to live by that sort of thing

>>9918413
those two words are inextricably linked friend

I looked at pictures of my mom when she was younger and she looked a lot like my current day crush.

God is eternal because He is good.
How is that? Because good beings can live in harmony together, whereas evil beings keep destroying each other because they keep fucking each other over.

>>9918433
But God is only one.
Who or what is he in harmony with? Who is there to skirmish with? The dimension of God is accessible only to God himself, He has no equals.

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>the too intelligent for intellectuals

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>>9918395
>tfw I can't even escape the idiocy of autocorrect

>>9918383
you're probably stupider than a lot of the people that post here, but don't feel too bad. within all of the different topics, you're seeing people posting who specialize in them. don't get the idea that everyone here knows a lot about everything.
really, to be interesting, you should be passionate about specific things; trying to know everything will turn you into a pseud.

>>9918379
The most clownish, cartoonish thing I've heard of. Just be an atheist for fuck's sake. Laveyanism is cringey.

>also, read this book, it's just common sense with some self-respect thrown in there ;-)

>oh, look at me, I don't believe in anything, but I still have these rituals and black masses BECAUSE I DON'T CARE AND THAT'S THE POINT! LOL!

>>9918379
My understanding of how Lavey satanism works is that it is basically edgy as fuck atheism, with a moral code like a religion.

They have a 7 tenet code similar to the christian commandments that they adhere to that might be what your looking for:

1."One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason."

2."The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions."

3. "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone."

4. "The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own."

5. "Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs."

6."People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused."

7."Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word."

>>9918379
What on the world ever gave you the idea that higher consciousness is unnatural?

>tfw Dunning-Kruger offspring

>>9918348
Nice literature thread. The apple must not be far from the tree.

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>>9918363

You're just too intelligent and conscious for your own good.

>So called literary fiction is mostly extremely faggy stuff pushed by new Yorker reading "literary intellectuals".
>lists Michael Chabon as a favourite

subtle-not-so-subtle-bait/10

>>9918343

I know. I think if I go back I may dislike his stuff but I don't want to let my sympathy for poor cloud my taste too much.

Peterson only gets 'discussed' by crossposting /pol/tards who only watch his youtube videos and treat him as some sort of self-help guru. Sadler records lectures on philosophical texts that require you actually to read them, that's not quite as appealing to the aforementioned crowd.

>>9918314
Cause he's not a meme, just a guy that likes helping folks with philosophy.
Sage.

where does one go after they finish with sadler