What are we reading, /lit/?
>>8462419
Just finished Peer Gynt by Ibsen, pretty impressive but I need to ruminate some more before I can form a proper opinion.
>>8462419
WHY DIDNT HE EXPLORE MORE OF THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
Also Ned was best boy
>>8462419
>Twenty Thousand Leagues
Be sure to read The Mysterious Island afterward
Based Nemo
If a man wishes to do something against his moral code, and really regrets he can't do it because of said code, can you really say he's loyal to his morals or are there other things stopping him from doing it(fear of consequences, etc.)?
>>8462349
you can say that unless his reason is not that he is loyal but that he is afraid of consequences
stupid question
>>8462366
but if he follows a certain moral code, he shouldn't crave doing something which goes against it, yet he does. my question is, what is stopping him if his morals failed him?
>>8462376
You can't control what you instinctively want. Your morals are what stop you from giving into every craving you have. It is what separates us from animals.
Example:
Pedophiles can't help that they are attracted to children, but a man of strong morals will be able to stop himself from acting on his urges, even if he knows he will not be caught.
I can't decide what to do.
I want to express my thoughts on civilization, human behavior. If I write it directly, when I read what I said it sounds too deep for normal people to understand. They would probably think I'm a lunatic or something. My thoughts are very chaotic so it's hard to write a structured essay or book, I ask too much rethoric questions. For me it sounds too dry, like I'm tryng to shove my thoughts into other brains. It's probably boring to read too. Maybe there is somekind of guide about writing a philosophical book?
However, if I write a novel, I can put this idea subtly and show these thoughts in artistic form. The downside is that I need to create interesting and fulfilling story, which would cost much more time. The upside is that more people would take me seriously (in addition teenagers who probably don't read anything else besides fiction), and I could show the consequences if we continue living in the way we are living right now. One more downside is that adults don't read fiction (at least I don't know anyone that does), so my novel would only impact teenagers. If they read than it's more likely to be some kind of thriller or mistery, but I intend to write about ancient historic land, but I doubt that would be interesting for adults.
How do you generally express your philosophical thoughts?
kill yourself. it perfectly expresses how autistic you are.
>>8462340
Why do you think so?
Why don't you summarize your "thoughts on civilisation and human nature" here, so it can be discerned what medium your ideas should be framed in.
Not to be rude, but your post makes me doubt whether you have anything original/insightful to say. Prove me wrong.
All discussion is welcome here, with an emphasis on recommendations.
I was asked in another thread for books that focus on the mystical aspect of our Faith.
This article is a good overview and gives you many authors whose works would be beneficial.
Special attention should be paid to the Fathers for anyone interested in a deeper understanding of the Ancient Faith. The mystical nature of Christianity is seen most clearly in their writings.
>The Holy Fathers set forth their thoughts, their heart, the image of their activity in their writings. This means: what a true guidance to heaven, which is borne witness to by heaven itself, are the writings of the Fathers.
Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov
http://www.orthodox.cn/patristics/apostolicfathers/mystic.htm
here is the article mentioned in the OP
Graham Greene, Heart of the Matter, End of the Affair
Shusaku Endo, Kiki's Prayer, Silence
Gene Wolfe, Book of the New Sun, Peace
Aleksandar Solzenickin, Gulag Archipelago, First Circle
Flannery O'Connor, Complete Stories, Wise Blood
Teresa of Avila, Interior of a Castle
John Henry Newman, Story of a Convert, Apologia Pro Vita Sua
Thomas Merton, Seven Story Mountain, Thoughts in Solitude
John of the Cross, Dark Night of the Soul
Meister Eckhart, Complete Mystical Works
St. Augustine, Confessions
Ivan Gundulic, Tears of the Prodigal Son
>>8462359
I occasionally see Graham Greene mentioned here and there, what's a good reading order for him? How would you describe his writing?
I just spent literally an hour trying to understand the first 2 1/2 pages of the third chapter of this book. What the fuck lit, what the fuck. It's one of the most confusing and convoluted things I have ever read. STOP, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, JUST STOP; you're thinking this novel is easy, but you're wrong, WRONGGGG!!! WROOOOOOONG ARRRRG!! I'M GONNA CHEW ON YOUR BUTT!!! ON YOUR BUTT!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! No.
>>8462246
IT'S LITERALLY /R9K/ THE BOOK
the underground man IS LITERALLY your average ROBOT from the board /r9k/
/R9K/ = THE UNDERGROUND MAN
>>8462246
>t. lower consciousness pleb
>>8462249
I noticed the parallels to some of the people on this website.
ITT: Dubs and I re-read it.
Put a book you're considering re-reading. If you hit dubs, re-read. If you don't hit dubs, idk maybe you wanna re-read it anyway. Hell idk why I made this thread.
>>8462162
I'm tired of selecting storefronts, 4chan.
Your thoughts on him?
>>8462152
I know him only because of Birdman
>>8462152
read what we talk about when we talk about love. 8 was super hyped because that's a sick fucking title. it was meh.
>>8462152
Can't tell if he's black or not.
I liked Cathedral.
I'm new to his work, where do I start?
>>8462134
dumpster
>>8462134
actually i'd say start at the end with pic related
this is a really interesting series of books btw
>>8462134
Sirens of Titan
Cat's Cradle
Slaughterhouse five just to know what all the memes are about
The thing about him is that most of his books are fairly similar to one another and his charm can wear thin pretty quickly.
Has there ever been a book about a protagonist whose tale is told only through interactions with other people he mets at the end of chapters, with each chapter telling the story of one of these people ? For instance a chapter would go through the main events of person A's life up until person A meets the protagonist. Knowing about Person A's life gives the reader the point of view of person A and why person A would interact with the protagonist the way person A does.
>>8462108
Probably.
Why?
>>8462114
Cause I would enjoy it.
>>8462108
Yes, Percival in Woolf's 'The Waves'
What book took you the longest to finish?
>implying you've ever finished a book
For me, it was "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad. Boring as fuck, and the only reason I read it is because someone off-handedly mentioned its plot being the inspiration for "Apocalypse Now"
Pic related, only because the somewhat episodic structure of the book meant I could read it over a long period of time, without having to keep track of very much. It's pretty good if you want to read about war, adventure, and dudes finding themselves.
>>8462104
Heart of Darkness is awesome and not that hard. You can't read.
The Bible, followed by Don Quixote
In this thread I will post quotations from the book "Unabomber: The Secret Life of Ted Kaczynski" by Chris Waits.
It covers the twenty-five years Ted lived in a cabin near Lincoln, Montana, and contains information about his writing and reading habits.
If this thread interests you please bump to keep it alive
On the region where Ted lived
>"His small acreage and one-room, 12-by-10-foot primitive cabin, with a wood stove but no electricity, was on a jumping off spot to an isolated primeval world of rippling streams, westslope cutthroat trout, mule deer and regal elk. Parts of this world haven't seen a human soul since the last of the gold miners deserted their sluice boxes in the late 1920s. [...] For a hermit-like man looking for total isolation, this was the spot."
__________
On Ted's demeanour
>"Ted's most distinguishing was his demeanour. He was the most solemn and serious person I have ever met. [...] His seriousness was much less noticeable in the early years; as time passed it became far stronger. He was always friendly and spoke cordially to me, but he was always deep in thought."
__________
Shouldn't you be working on our biography, tedbro?
On Ted's social preferences
>"When Ted stopped at my Lincoln shop just to visit I felt almost honored, because I never saw him go anywhere except to conduct business, such as buying groceries. But for him to stop, conditions had to be just right. The big garage doors [...] had to be opened wide, and I had to be alone. It became quickly obvious our visits had to be one-on-one. If someone stopped while Ted was there, he'd be gone like a puff of smoke, disappearing even in the middle of a sentence. At first it seemed like odd behaviour, until I gradually concluded that he was extremely shy and guarded around other people."
__________
On Ted's relationship with animals
>"Our dogs could smell him, and they hated him. He hated them as well. It seemed like all animals reacted aggressively towards Ted."
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What even is the point of reading philosophy?
Everything that philosophy says can be understood from fiction if you're able to read a even a high school level, and fiction has artistic merit unlike philosophical essays and such
why are brits, as a people, so consistently repulsive?
>>8462054
Britbrong here. I agree. It's just a depressing island for the most part. There are a few quaint villages in the South and some posh parts of London are fairly flawless, but Britain is fucking shit and I wouldn't have it any other way.
>>8462049
I quite agree. I read a ton of it, took an intro class, couldn't stop rolling my eyes. Fuck philosophy.
ITT: books that /lit isn't smart enough to read.
>>8462037
this thread
Fifth Season edition
Recommendations:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/
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>>8461993
SJW Edition you mean
Does this get any better? I don't understand the praise it has received. It reads just like a shitty Jack Vance.
>>8462016
>shitty Jack Vance
Do you mean like one of Vance's bad stories or like a bad copy of Vance?
I just read most of Matthew Hughes' Hengis Hapthorn trilogy because of the critical comparison to Vance. The similarity is there but it's more "Kokod Warriors" than "The Languages of Pao". It wasn't bad but by the third novel, I was tired of Hapthorn.
>we call a new theory 'scientific' if it facilitates prediction and 'philosophical' if it does not
That's so the liberal Jews can discredit the red pill and the prophesies in the Bible
>>8461824
What dey mean by this?
can philosophy not make predictions??
Learn the definition of science first, fedora-tipper