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I've read Pnin and Lolita. They're great. For my next Nabokov, Ada or Pale Fire? Ada kind of sounds like my type of story but is very long and supposed to be convoluted while Pale Fire is considered his magnum opus.
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>>8581903
If you're on a Cornfather kick, definitely read Pale Fire while you still have the patience for it.
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>>8581903
Ada isn't really that long - and if anything Pale Fire could be described as the more convoluted. But yes, PF is the one to go for if you're already familiar with the author. It's utterly brilliant.
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>>8581912
>>8581922
Thanks, I'll just start with PF then.

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What are the best german writers /lit/?
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>>8581863
cute dress
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Shakespeare
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>>8581866
I like pics of girls reading, yes

>>8581867
Someone a bit less pretentious?

What about rilke, grass, süskind?

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What does /lit/ think of pic related? I've never heard him mentioned here. Is he considered too ''pleb'' or ''simple''?

I really liked Vol de Nuit and Terre des Hommes.

Anyone else?
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>>8581787
I think it's more that no one here's heard of him.
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>>8581795
>implying
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Literally who?

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I'll start
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>>8581773
Are you btard or something???
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What is the best way to gain a deep understanding of the way that fiction works? Of how the structure ties things together, makes the story function, of why certain choices are made by the author.. Should I read literary/critical theory?
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>>8581714
No. That might be one of the worst things you can do. I'd say it varies from author to author. Just study whichever ones you want as intently as you can.
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>>8581737
why is it one of the worst things? Isn't literary theory the study of analyzing literature?
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Probably reading some fiction books.

This video might help. It's on how the story begins with characters and how it develops from there. It's described as an arduous process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgJ809QKmas

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What is the best fantasy book series and why is it Stormlight archive?
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Abhorsen Trilogy was pretty good
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>>8581629
>series
>two books
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You should try the Scientology opus, if you want to go deep, desu.

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I can't believe /lit/ doesn't have a thread about one of the biggest literary stories of the year.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/02/elena-ferrante-an-answer/

It's already prompted outrage:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/03/496406869/for-literary-world-unmasking-elena-ferrantes-not-a-scoop-its-a-disgrace

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-unmasking-of-elena-ferrante

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137377/nyrbs-argument-doxing-elena-ferrante-not-good

This is a game changer, people
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We already had a few threads, including one in which some dumbass was baiting a bunch of bigger dumbasses by saying he didn't care about the violation of her rights because she's rich
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Literally writing in blackface, or in this case, Naplesface.

>The part of Gatti’s claim that has unavoidable meaning for readers is that Anita Raja’s biography does not at all correspond to that of Elena Ferrante as gleaned from her novels, or as described in “Frantumaglia,” a work of autobiographical fragments that first appeared in Italy more than a decade ago and which will be published in the United States on November 1st. In that book, Ferrante writes that she grew up in Naples, the daughter of a local seamstress. Raja’s mother, Golda Frieda Petzenbaum, worked as a teacher, and was born in Worms, Germany, into a Polish Jewish family that fled to Italy in 1937. She married a Neapolitan magistrate, but the family moved to Rome, in 1956, when Raja was three. If Raja is Elena Ferrante, that would mean, among many other things, that she has no firsthand knowledge of the postwar Naples milieu that she evokes with such fiercely unsentimental strokes, the oppressive rione on the city’s outskirts that anchors the Neapolitan novels and gives them their extraordinary texture of lived truth.
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>>8581627
I'm said dumbass and fuck anyone up in arms over this. If I had even a tenth of her money I'd laugh shit like this off.

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has to be someone of american origin

in your opinion?
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Pierce
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>>8581566
jaden smith
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John Rawls is the biggest modern one accepted by the establishment as a capital P Philosopher, but someone like Thoreau has had more impact on civilization, even if they were just a writer/essayist.

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>Oh look an e-mail for contest X. Maybe I won something and they are telling me before they give the results publicly?
>"And we write you to remind you we will announce the winners this October xx!

These people are worse than Hitler. Really, I see the goddamn day were you would announce the winners of the goddamn contest when I SUMMIT MY SHIT.

Some contest have the habit of telling the winners they won beforehand so they would be there when they announce it, so doing this shit gives you false hopes for no good reason at all.

If you do this please stop spamming my shit and go fuck yourself.
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>>8581506
>announce the winners of the goddamn contest when I SUMMIT MY SHIT
>this shit gives you false hopes

Surely you realise you never had any.
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>>8581826
If I never won before, maybe I wouldn't.
But I have won a small amount of unimportant literary contests and I been notified beforehand exactly twice, which ruined me for good.
I seen worse, however. I seen contest tagging up people in their facebook to notify them about the results only to find out they didn't won. I didn't got into a nerd rage that time because I managed to crawl out with a third place but fuck that would had been infuriating.
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pls post you're summition

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Are popular success and literary merit mutually exclusive?

I'm not some garden variety, youtube-commenting cynic. As I see it, there are particular things that make a book widely liked, and usually that involves being relatable to working class people and avoiding latinate (or even slightly unusual) vocabulary.

Literary merit tends to be awarded by academics, who live lives of security and eccentricity, and as such value risk-taking and eccentric books that don't appeal to working class people.

I'm interested to hear your opinions, contrary and otherwise, /lit/.
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>>8581422
The best works are never the most popular
that goes for most things
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They're not mutually exclusive but they are totally unrelated. This is because literary merit ebbs and flows with public consciousness - what was of merit to 19th century society would not necessarily be of merit to 21st century society (see Moby Dick). One could hypothesize the reverse would also be true (see American Psycho).

Likewise, what has literary merit in the 21st century may not even have been "discovered" by enough advocates to be considered valuable yet. It's impossible to deny that there are hundreds or thousands of great works that were simply printed by small publishers and never reached the vaunted halls of academia. They neither achieved popular success nor were they recognized for their literary merit. This is why it seems like so many great books are from the past: Because we haven't yet identified and canonized the great books of today.
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Generally speaking, popular things are made for the purpose of being popular rather than quality.

So, no, something isn't inherently less valuable for being popular, but popular things are less likely to be truly valuable.

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>travel to Mexico
>trying to live the literary lifestyle
>meet girl
>tell her I like books
>she does too
>sends me pic related
>PHILIproth.wtf.exe

How do I not fuck this up guys? I've never even read Philip Roth
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Talk to her
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>>8581354
>travel to Mexico
>get beheaded
FIFY
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>>8581354
He's very good.

Sabbath's Theatre and American Pastoral are great. Portnoy's Complaint is funny.

>inb4 Jew
I'm not

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I'm looking for some existential lit with a little edge that is suitable for an angsty 20-something year old experiencing a quarter life crisis.

Is Sartre my guy? Where do I start?
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>>8581350
I've only read Nausea from him but it assumes a basic level of acquaintanceship with the ideas of existentialism. Notes from Underground by Dosto is a good starting point for the whole movement. lots of REEEEEE's to be had in it
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>>8581373

I've read it.
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>>8581350
Camoo is your guy even if he was technically an absurdist rather than an existentialist.

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Any of you guys read this? Funny as shit but also pretty well written considering normie boy never went to high school.
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>>8581326
Fuck you Adam Egret
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>>8581326
Literally Plebbit: the book
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He's funny sometimes on TV and podcasts and crap, but I'm not going to read his book.

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What is that philosophy that rejects all self expression? like you don't share anything with anybody you don't give opinions or your likes or dislikes
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permavirginism
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rejecting self expression is self-expression

also autism
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>>8581268
cult of privacy + watered down taoism.

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Best version/publication to purchase Portrait of The artist by JJ?

Also, as you read the book did you find yourself connecting with JJ?
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Norton Critical Edition, famalam.
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>>8581241
It looks nice.

Thanks, little cutie.
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