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>thought Wittgenstein would be a good starting point for someone with a mathematical background.

Read at least Aristotle's Categories.

Read Frege first. In particular
- The Concept of Function.
- Sense and Reference

I reccommend reading an introductory work to his whole work. See Anthonny Kenny Intro to Frege. Some familiarity with Kant's philosophy of mathematics is handy.

Then Russell. The paper On Denoting. Also some introductory book to his work, so you don't have to tackle down the Principia Mathematica by youself. Maybe Russell by Grayling, it is good if I am not mixing authors in my head.

Read Moore. Principia Ethica. Not strictly needed.

Read an introductory book to the TLP. How to read Wittgenstein by Ray Monk is a good choice. Wittgenstein by A.C Grayling is decent as well, and it covers both TLP and PI.

Watch some lectures AFTER you have read the former books and papers. Not strictly needed, but it can be useful to hear a professional sum up the main points after studying, in order to no lost sight of the forest for the trees.These are good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1RPRp5bDgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNaBRR-XeAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQHiGrCNwJI

Read the TLP by youself.
Good luck.

>>8589285
this is actually all sensible, this is no memepost. Though you can get all the Frege you need from secondary lit, but I probably will be stoned for saying that.

If you follow what anon says, you'll get a very strong basis for reading Wittgenstein (I recommend going at it chronologically if your basis will be that strongly in Frege), although you probably will quit before you get to Wittgenstein proper.

So, that's a great post, but not a great philosopher to start with.

>>8589285
Thanks for the post. I supected it to be not as easy to understand Wittgenstein as I wanted to.


I have two more general questions.

Is it essential to understanding to read the original works of philosphers rather than reading secondary literature? Is it likely that secondary literature corruptes the original?

Is there a place where I can find full lectures to philosophic concepts/authors? Im not the autodidactic kind of person to be honest.

I try to write exclusively in the third person, even for dialogue and inner monologues.

It depends on what I'm writing or how I feel. I know I'm too immature as a writer to have a "style" set in stone and formalized, so I try different approaches and see what works, then stick it all together - sure, I can be accused of syncretism but it makes sense in the philosophical/ontological framework I tend to create my writings in. I think it helps if you write in your second or third language, as you have more conscious control on the vocabulary and techniques you use since you're not bound by the way you use that language in day to day life.

As an example, I wrote this http://pastebin.com/cm47j09C a few months ago. I tried to make my writing as hyper-kinetic as possible, magmatic and moving; I experimented with a lot of techniques, even having the omniscient narrator address the protagonists in a part of the story, taking out every kind of meta-syntax (I don't know it it's the right term, those parts of the discourse that address and regulate the discourse itself formally; like OP wrote, "ha said", etc.). I think it worked, but I'm still pondering on its viability in longer texts.

>>8589088
I always write in 4th person and in rhymes

>Friend recommends the Wheel of Time series
>Very kind guy, gives me the first two
>I read a quarter through it
>Not engaged in the slightest
>Friend keeps telling me it's really good
>Start wondering if I have no taste or if I'm just giving too much weight to his opinion.

What even is quality writing nowadays?

>>8589094
it's not good

t. read six of the books before realizing what the hell i was doing

OP here, I don't know how to use the catalog

>>8588450

I've read a lot of his books but I don't actually think I've come across the term - care to link to lecture where he talks about it or just give me a quick definition? I'll give you a few titles based on that, if you like

>>8589075
Sure. He covers it briefly in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-2a0Rti6-Y

He goes a bit more in-depth in his 'Class on Creative Reading' but it's spread out a bit over 3 lectures of 1½ hours each.

Synchronicity is basically his way of explaining away coincidences. He says that he doesn't believe in them, it's just a matter of you and whatever you're observing simply being synchronized in time and place. If you open your mind and start noticing the world around you you'll realize that things repeat themselves in the way that people have routines and such. So coincidence is basically a meaningless word.

It'd be pretty sick if you could, but to be honest I'm not even sure he wrote about it.

>>8589083
Now I get it - you're in luck, it's a big underlying theme of his writing so you can find the concept used more or less in every one of his books. I actually thought about it while reading him, didn't know he had a formal definition for himself but it makes sense.

I'll preface my recommendations by saying that, since you're looking for it, you're more likely to see it in what you read. A bit meta, maybe, but you can probably argue for the emergence of synchronicity in his writings with your knowledge of synchronocity itself.

That said, read the Naked Lunch. You'll find the concept in its more primordial state, not really developed but like a big shadow under the water. Afterwards, read Cities of the Red Night and the Place of Dead Roads. They're much more overt in their use of time/reality cycles, the intertwining of narratives, etc. It may be a bit hard to get into the flow, especially in the second half of the first book, but don't worry - re-read it, maybe.

i'd also like to advise you to check out Spinoza's Ethics, not going to shorthand it but you may find it interesting if you're into this line of thought.

>>8588998
Barnes and noble has specific distinctions for trade and mass market (smaller) paperbacks.

They list the dimensions of every book.

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>>8589009
>Barnes and noble has specific distinctions for trade and mass market (smaller) paperbacks.

Am I just not seeing that options or if the below example, simply not avaliable in pocket/mass market paperback format?

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/James+S.+A.+Corey+Leviathan+Wakes?_requestid=43903

Read Faust first.

>>8588994

"They take too long getting to the fucking point." - Sgt Gerry Boyle


Read Bulgakovs country doctors notebook after. It's beautiful especially Morphine.

>>8588994
Be aware of the historical / political state AKA gleam Wiki

I ate out a Persian chick in August and I just want you to know that

Like full-blown Iranian expat Persian nationalist chick and she had a huge hairy bush and it smelled awful but I still ate that fucking thing because god damnit when the fuck am I ever going to get a Persian girl again

>>8588834
Can't blame you desu senpai

She didn't happen to tell you about their ancient litterature, did she?

>>8588834
>falling for the bashful babylonian

(top of page 678 in the 10-year anniversary edition, for reference)

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>>8588816

What book OP?

Really weird, I read the master slave dialectic yesterday and had the same thought. I think Hegel did too though.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1qp0mEdnIe7

I thought that was exactly what he meant.

I thought all of what was described in the master-slave dialectic occurred within the individual

>>>/co/
also saged the fuck out

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Watchman

>>8588773
Oh wow I didnt even know that board existed! Thank you based anon!
>>8588782 Really? I never got through the entire comic. The art put me off. How different is it from the movie?

Morals are
A spook.
OP is
A fag.

I don't even think it's a question about morals. You're going to pay for the book you are quote unquote "stealing". So I guess the universe will balance out. You get the copy you want and the library can buy a new one. Not like they care what edition it is.

It's technically fine, albeit a dick move. But I kind of doubt you'll be paying $15 -- more like 50 bucks or higher and possibly loss of loan privileges.

Libraries (even regular neighborhood ones, but especially college/academic ones) don't take kindly to lost books.

>>8588714
You don't need a book me boy you need a therapist.

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I've only seen the movie to be honest but you sound like this...

Moby Dick?

>redpill me

>>8588704
The starwars novels were always less canon than the movies in the weird 5-tier system they had, once Disney bought it they declared everything before the purchase non-canon.

Good star wars novels to start at are:
The thrawn trilogy with heir to the Empire by zahn
The xwing series by stackpole, which gets interconnected with a lot of the rest eventually
The "tales" short story anthologies with stories about the weird aliens in the backgrounds of the movies.
I stopped reading this shit in the early 2000s when the prequels came out.
I would suggest you read almost anything besides a star wars book, the enjoyment received from them is of the trashiest sort.

>>8588716
>wanting to be blue pilled

sorry, late addition: I also want a lot of skeletons in it. Both animated and, well, your typical standing-still skeleton.

wow i thought you guys could write but i guess you're really not all very creative.

It was a cold and windy day in Fantalonia. Rain assaulted the ground as Flaneulthur the Elf pulled on his flying boots. "I'm going to need my flying boots" thought Flaneulthur the Elf, "to meet my girlfriend Catara, the quarter-cat."

It was Flaneulthur the Elf's day off from his job as a mechanic at the magic tree-car garage and he hadn't seen his girlfriend in a while. His boss Chaim, of the half-men race liked to work him hard, as all of his kind did.

At this point Flaneulthur was flying quite quickly through the clouds with his flying boots but then he saw that a gang of dragon bikers was pulling up along-side him. (Like 21st century bikers but on dragons). And these weren't just any dragon-bikers, these were skeleton-dragon-bikers. Their dragons were made of skeletons.

"What do you faggots want?" inquired Flaneulthur, in a tough way. "To fuck you up" ejaculated a particularly large skeleton-dragon-biker, presumably their leader, and then he swang a chain at Flaneulthur which he ducked under just in time.

"MAGIC MISSILE" proclamated Flaneulthur, and in a burst of light several of the skeleton-dragon-bikers were knocked from their mounts and fell to the cold and unforgiving ground below, where their positions would surely be stolen by black people.

"motherfucker" articulated the stunned skeleton-dragon-biker leader as he swung his mount around to make another charge at Flaneulthur. His next chain-swing was very strong and would have killed Flaneulthur but Flaneulthur was strong and fast and pulled out his thousand-year-old magic katana 'Evilbane' and cut the skeleton-dragon-biker in half.

"Good," thought Flaneulfur, "now I can meet Catara."

And then he went to Catara's house when he met her they kissed.

The End.

gook

>>8588637
It's a bit supernatural to say that everything is one substance that flows from one divine thing (Nature).

Check out Plotinus. Spinoza was influenced by his theory on "divine emanation from The One"

>>8588637
Check out Jonathan Israel's 3 volumes on the enlightement - he details those debates pretty extensively. If youre specifically interested in the pantheism question, maybe check the 3rd volume - the Germans in the second half of the 18th century go through all sorts of maneuvers with this.