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>Birthdays, like weddings, anniversaries, baptisms, bar mitzvahs, wakes, are occasions to retie family ties, renew family feuds, restore family feeling, add to family lore, tribalize the psyche, generate guilt, exercise power, wave a foreign flag, talk in tongues, exchange lies, remember dates and the old days, to be fond of how it was, be angry at what it should be, and weep at why it isn't.
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ok
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>>8596228
William "Sneakily Passing" Gass
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>>8596228
I actually think his stream of consciousness game is solid. Icicles and In The Heart of The Heart of The Country were great stories.

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I've been racking my brain for like two hours trying to think of the phrase that means you're not something anymore. It's like "reformed catholic" and it can be about anything. Lapsed communist, failed atheist, fuck it's a well-known phrase that's been around for awhile. Hitchens used it talking about himself as RECOVERING holy shit I just got it. I'm going to post this anyway because we've all been here.

Fuck it, how about a thread of phrases that hit the spot? Mine is obviously

>recovering communist/alcoholic/etc
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>>8596212

apostate?
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Reformed
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>>8596265
Whoops nah you said that

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Hello, /lit/.

I've been starting to read more difficult literature and have come to the conclusion that I am retarded. Where does /lit/ find supplemental material?

Also, is pic related a good resource?
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>>8596155
I don't really know what to say to your first claim, I think you should just probably just be more patient with yourself and the texts. And yes, David Harvey's companion is probably your best resource for reading Capital today as primarily an economic text. Easy to understand and good stuff.
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>>8596170
I was mainly being hyperbolic with the first claim. I think that you're right about having more patience, though, I'll work on that.
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if you can't understand Capital by itself then you have no business reading it
Harvey is slightly disingenuous and way too snarky

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How do I get into Murakami? Where do I start?

pic unrelated: it's me
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Start with the Greeks.
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>>8596139
please no memeing ;_;
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read Calvino instead

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>I should admit that discovering David Foster Wallace was one of my biggest joys and at the same time it made me very sad: not only would I never become him, I would never be able to get close to his excellency. So I made a major decision in my life: I would stop writing. There are people like that. They are so great they have the capacity to destroy in one any motivation or inspiration.

What did she mean by this?
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but that's not a real quote.
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>>8596070
I like to imagine every sassy, powerful woman posing for a camera, cigarette in hand, thirty years removed and dying a slow, excoriating death from cancer.
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>>8596125
>excoriating

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How important is it to read other philosophers before reading "The World as Will and Representation"?

I would like to read it because from what I have read about Schopenhauer online he seems very interesting but I'm worried the time spent reading it might be wasted without reading the people before him. I am pretty familiar with and have a good understanding of eastern philosophy but have not read much of western other then wikipedia summaries and short essays. Would I be better off waiting until I had read the Greeks and Decartes/Spinoza/Hume/Kant or would I have a good chance of undertanding TWAWAR if I put a lot of effort into reading it carefully?
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>>8596058

probably should Kant bra as he builds on what Kant said. Things like his essays on aesthetics you don't need to read anything else but i would strongly recommend reading A Critique of Reason and/or A Critique on Judgement.
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>>8596081

Ok thanks, can I just start out by reading those two works by Kant or is there anything that I need to read first to be able to understand them?
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Passing familiarity with Buddhist metaphysics, particularly the veil of maya, and decent familiarity with Kant's transcendental division of Ding an sich / fur uns and Fichtean/Hegelian wrangling with that concept

Honestly he's not that hard at least in broad strokes, if you want a kind of aesthetic appreciation of Schopenhauer's worldview, which it's fair to say is just about all most of his indirect disciples ever had

But if you want to delve into real conceptual and logical subtleties, really mush idealist architectonics together, you're obviously gonna have to become a philosopher, more or less.

I just finished this.

What was it about?
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Either the Melian assertion of the right of primal, sexual nature and the ultimate rejection of Rousseau's utopian fantasies, or a really sexy jerkoff story about shitting in pussies
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>>8596024
It probably served a purpose once when new political and social structures were established. Out of that context it is pure rubbish. Degenerate even.
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You read the entire damn book?
I only read random pieces of it, just turned to any page I read what looked funny.

Anyway it was about filthy deprived sex.

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How the fuck did Oscar Wao win a Pulitzer?
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Brownies win the browny
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>>8595993
>Althusser

hmm..
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>>8595993
Check out the list meng. Is it any wonder?

http://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-category/219

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I've lately gotten a boner for knights. What can I read beyond the Arthurian stuff, Don Quixote, and The Knight In History?

P.S. how would a knight write a love letter to a lady? I want to do something interesting for a bitch's birthday.
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Walter Scott
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>>8596007
Yeah Ivanhoe is comfy. It's where most of our stereotypes of the Middle Ages come from.

Also try Faerie Queene, by Edmund Spencer. He wrote it for Queen Elizabeth, and it's super cool. It has the quirky "ye olde" vibe taken to an intentionally hyperbolised extreme, and it's about knights undertaking thematic quests about virtues while dealing with dragons, and monsters, and wizards, and ancient pagan gods.
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>>8596037
Oh almost forgot two more:

>Orlando Furioso
Really long and may be difficult to get though, but very influential book to every other knight-book that came after it.

>The Nonexistent Knight.
If you're looking for something postmodern.

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>Linguist
>Only spoke one language
>Rarely spoke anyway
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>Shitposter
>Only uses green text
>Says almost nothing anyway
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>>8595942
He was not a linguist and he spoke English (admittedly poorly). Furthermore, lots of linguists are monoglots. It's only a given for a linguist to speak multiple languages if they do fieldwork or comparative studies or something.
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>>8595957
He spoke English fine. He also read Russian I believe.

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Having a thread series going through Phenomenology of the Spirit. Starting around this Christmas.

Hegel's work is extremely technical, and uses minimal poetic style, figures of speech, or visual references to convey ideas. It's almost total abstraction (like mathematics). Those who don't have a lot of background in Aristotle and the German Idealists tend to have the toughest time with this sort of work, and so if you want help getting through it, now is your chance. Just make sure you have your copy by Christmas. We'll read a portion every week, and then it will be gone over in detail and discussed and explained.
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I took a class on Hegel. It took a whole semester to read the Phenomenology. Wish you the best of luck. In class, we went through it line by line. Each of us imagining our own symbolic reference plane. Hegel has been dear to my heart ever since.
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>>8595946
I'll draw up diagrams as we go, it should help.

Thanks for your support.
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>>8595913
ΟΥΤΙΣ you don't know anything about Hegel, get lost you total wannabe, Hegel's incredibly poetic and constantly bashes on 'abstraction, like mathematics!!!'; loser elitist namefag trying to start some Platonic Academy on a Pynchon forum, get some perspective

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thoughts?
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>>8595879
Choosing option B doesn't kill anyone regardless of the other guy either, and you defer the moral dilemma to some other poor soul. And if by "future trolley problems " You mean exactly the same as in the OP then absolutely choose B because as long as 1 person does B no on ever dies
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>>8595879
incredible troll
trolley delays > human life
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why is the piece of shit considered a classic?
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>>8595876
Basically it's like, the first time I read it, it felt was whiny, repetitive, mundane and boring till I got to the part where he escapes from his teacher's house because he suspects he would molest him or something. Then it gave me an entire new view of the book and made me read it the second time. Your total perception changes. It doesn't sound like a whiny rich faggot complaining anymore. Instead, you're wondering what shit he had seen in his life that made him form his thoughts. And desu senpai, Holden experienced a lot of fucked up shit. He saw his classmate die in front of his eyes, him unable to do anything about it. He was probably molested by a gay man too. And all these experiences made him transcend into adolescence and leave his innocent childhood behind. He feels that the innocence of childhood is too precious and he wants to save children from entering the wicked world of adolescence and adulthood.

It's a very comfy book senpai. I used to read it in the waiting room of the dentist when my mom got her root canal done.
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>>8595963
I agree this book may not be the pinnacle of lit but it's definetly comfy
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>>8595876
Catcher is legitimately one of the best entry-points to classic literature for young adults.

It's good for you to create. ITT compose something new in the reply field. Please don't ironically post shit.
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Schmanuel Balito was simultaneously blessed and cursed to have but one man who could be considered his nemesis. However, if one were inclined to include the Judeo-Christian deity in the tally, then his list of foes would suddenly double in size.
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"rubbish" said david as he threw the magazine away "I like sports but i am not a freak"

"yes you are david , everyone in aberaeon knows you are only interested in rugby and bike racing."
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The sight of blood made him vomit. That would add another layer to the crime scene, ruining whatever chance of evidence they'd find.

I should have realized he did it, right then and there. But in my kindness, I tried to empathize: the tool used to commit the murders was.....

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I have decided to try something with you guys after it failed with /b/

I will produce a single sentence starting off a incomplete story, and each poster must consecutively add 1-2 sentence(s) to the thread. The Final Product will be rated by /b/ for its quality.

Lets begin:

Once in a distant land, was a lad by the name of Anon. E. Muss.
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Everywhere he went, he was followed by an entropic cloud of particulate AIDS that permeated all solid matter, giving everyone within one mile of him full-blown terminal AIDS in its final stages.
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One day, walking along a bog, Anon. E. Muss found a peculiar frog. The frog's name was Pepe, and promised a gift: If anon kissed him, by memes would anon be blessed.
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He took a car and drove, heading in no particular direction, ending the human race as he went.

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