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How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.
Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.
How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.
I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;
And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.
I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.
Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.
The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Song of Solomon 7
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Is Solomon using the woman as a metaphor for the Jewish state there? He's piling on adjectives that describe economic prosperity rather than anything objectively attractive in terms of the female form.

>your eyes are koi ponds

Y-you too, senpai.
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>>8605909
he's comparing the work of mother nature to a craftsman, i read this a month ago
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I've been reading the NIV. How long does it take to get used to the language of the KJV?

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Raymond Carver is one of my favorite short story writers, what do you think about him?

I've been in a short story mood lately.

What are you favorite short stories /lit/? Any recommended authors?
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>>8605905
"Cathedral" is really good. I got sick of him after reading a few stories, though. Definitely a master of the minimalist form, but gets tiresome after a short while.

My favorite short story is DFW's "Good Old Neon." Showing my cards here.

Maybe Ligotti's "The Bungalow House."
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>>8605910
Yeah I really admire his minimalist style, my prose tends to be "stuffed" and I've been trying to learn from his work.

I'll check out those stories, thanks
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I love Nabokov's short stories, behind him I would have to say Kafka.

Chesterton's Father Brown stories are also excellent, very cozy and funny.

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>I try to write a novel

>Try fantasy
>Ok this has to be easy right? No, I can't finish ten pages with out getting lost in my own set up.
>Horror
>Creepy stuff, aliens, the fear of the unknown. Nope can't even come up with something original. Damn you Lovecraft.
>Science fiction
>About twenty pages I'm ripping off The Stars, Like Dust.
>Let's just make a classic novel alright?
>Oh no wait, I don't even know how humans interact so I'm on a dead end here.
>At last erotic literature.
>Over 500 pages in an hour.
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>>8605875
Thats alright man. To be honest, if you write for fun then who cares what the book is about? Thats just the way I see it
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>>8605875

Lets read some, my dick is ready
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>want to write a book
>jot down a tome of notes about everything
>can't even begin to think of an opening line

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Is this the best thing he ever wrote?
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>>8605858
It's up there, man, but that's really hard to say. I can't really say that The Gay Science or Zarathustra or Beyond Good and Evil are WORSE than Human, All Too Human.
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I haven't read that one. I just remember "Will to Power" was one of his greatest works. That's the only one I listened to on audiobook.

You have me curious now, so I might listen to it and get back with you. :-)
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Top 3 for sure, he seems more optimistic and debunks some of his old thinking.

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subjectively yes
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>>8605834
Out of curiosity, how long did it take people here to finish this?
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>>8605844
Took me about a half a year only because I kept picking it up and putting it down.

I love this book though. It was my only companion during a horrible time in my life, uncle Dosto carried me in those days. I would say it's in my top three. I'd swear on it before I swore on a bible.

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>>8605791
birth of tragedy
genealogy of morals
thus spake zarathustra
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>>8605791
sticky
then da greeks
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>>8605791
Honestly, everyone will probably tell you to start with one of his books, but you should just read some introductions to his philosophy first. Watch a couple videos about him on youtube. Become familiar with the concepts he works with, you know.
Then, start reading with Thus Spoke Zarathustra. If you just can't get by all the highfalutin bible-speak, then try something like the Genealogy of Morals or Beyond Good and Evil.
Basically, it's easier and more enjoyable to read Nietzsche if you already know what you're getting into.
And personally, I think that because some of Nietzsche's ideas aren't as affronting to the modern reader, we lose the astonishment someone reading TSZ sixty years ago would have had. So focus on the quality of his thoughts, because Nietzsche may have been a crazy motherfucker by some standards, but he was gifted with the talent for thinking beautifully.
Good luck!

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Who is the Coen Brothers of literature?
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>>8605743
dfw and franzen
alternatively pic related
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What are some good, in depth, books on the history of Ireland and the Irish people?
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Walter Maclean's Irish trilogy covers Ireland from the Cromwellian Invasion up to the Easter of 1916.

Historical fiction but wonderfully informative.
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>>8605939
Phone autocorrect me.
It's Walter MACKEN

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I am quite partial to the writings of Harold Blooms.
What are some literary critics that you have benefited from reading?
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>>8605677
Bloom
Adam Gopnik
William Empson
T S Eliot
Northrop Frye
Walter Pater
Samuel Johnson
William Hazlitt
Thomas De Quincey
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F.R. Leavis
A.C. Bradley
Aristotle (I wouldn't underestimate the relevance of what he said in Poetics)
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>>8605677
I think the author of the biblical Book of Hebrews must have been a sublime literary critic.

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Whats /lit/s thoughts on it?
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>>8605654
I read the Original Scoll and I found it to be a moving piece on the freewheeling landscape of 1950s America, the passing of the Beat generation and the inevitability of death. Others may disagree
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>>8605654
It made me wonder if being a drifter is really that easy.
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Pretty sure I read the edited original publication. Found much of it a tad meandering, but I think that might also be an effective illustration of life 'on the road.' The final section is blissful and satisfying, way more immediately compelling than the preceding sections. Jack and Neil (forget the pseudonyms he uses lol) have a pretty interesting relationship. I have a friend who insists its the ultimate depiction of a brotherly connection. I mostly thought Neil was just inconsiderate, but Jack's attraction to him and his lifestyle was potent.

One of those books probably overrated irl but definitely underrated on /lit/

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Why are his books so well-liked?
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>>8605637
They appeal to braindead adolescents
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>>8605637
They're people who are caught in the vacuum of the aftermath of Wallace's suicide, desperate looking for Great American Authors to bring meaning to the void without realizing what exactly a void is.
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>>8605637
John Green is a gateway author of the worst kind. He’s a bad writer, with clusterfucks of story and characterization that aren’t very well done by any aspect, but attempt to compensate for their weaknesses by adding in excessive faggotry and CEREAL. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The wish-fulfilling characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the fellatio, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole Alaska faggotry and everything about John Green’s world's fuel their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on feminism, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
John Green is basically THE writer to attract the most hated reader known to /lit/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no John Green threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

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This week on /lit/ or shit:

The Meursault Investigation, a Camus fan fiction, won the 2015 Prix Goncourt (the top French literary prize).

Pseuds, spergs.. Discuss.
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>has arab protagonist
automatically shit
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Anybody actually read it?
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>>8606920
Yes you seem the type to instinctively crap yourself.

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>Society is turning into Orwell's 1984!
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>>8605581
its more like neuromancer desu
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>>8605581
>1984 was a dystopia
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>1984 was not a manual!

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I just finished Ulysses. Is it all downhill from here ?
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If you read it backwards you go uphill.
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>>8605558
I'm honestly ready to go back and read it again already. That was the best reading experience I've had since A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

Seriously, where do I go from here ? Finnegans Wake ?
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Yes, if you mean finding anything that can surpass it.

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In order to compensate the constructed intimidation of books in modern society, what are some blogs you know that are legitimately/lit/? All I have is:
http://lazenby.tumblr.com
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>>8605520
I wish I was already publishing mine so I could shill it right here. Shame.
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>>8605525
Give me a taste
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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/
http://www.xenosystems.net/

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