Is the Iliad the greatest thing ever written?
I think that greentext might be in contention.
>>8609011
reading it right now
not at all
>>8609007
>not reading Infinite Jest
Are you even trying?
Post charts
>>8604307
Both are good. Just don't read Pope if you want to read Homer. Read Pope if you want to read Pope.
All I know about poetry is that it rhymes and something about aesthetics and shit.
What do I need to learn to start trying to appreciate it?
>>8616910
>All I know about poetry is that it rhymes
Not necessarily.
>What do I need to learn to start trying to appreciate it?
That's like saying you need to learn film theory to appreciate movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duV2G5XTgQM
>>8616951
Film theory helps to gain a deeper appreciation of it. You can do it yourself if you watch (or in OP's case, read/list) in a critical way and try to understand why the author did what they did. It's a bit of a brick wall when you're starting out though
Op needs to unironically start with the greeks since poetry, like all other lit, is rooted in the classics and you'll miss most of the references if you don't start at the start
Our guy came through.
edgy
>>8616857
he's 100 percent right/
This is exactly the same kinds of people that make 10 docus about The Beatles, Monterrey and so on, 10 docus about Sex Pistols et.c
maybe andy warhol retrospective?
I met a man named Sobel
Who straight up gave me a Nobel
I don't see what for
It's all quite a bore
But now the news has gone global
How could you fuck that up so badly?
>>8616810
I could ask the same to your parents about your conception.
>>8616895
Still wouldn't be as insulting as thinking Nobel rhymes with global.
In pretty much every liberal circle these days I see people going on and on about "bodies" and "autonomy" in a really grating, autistic way. They presumably all took the same exact classes in college, so who does this usage of these words come from?
Is it Foucault? I'm guessing it's him because it seems like the kind of faggotry he'd get up to even though I've never actually read by him.
Capitalism has put bodies under erause.
Language constructs female bodies.
>>8616756
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/body#Etymology
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/autonomy#Etymology
Did Dave treat women badly/was he sexist/misogynistic?
I remember a friend telling me recently something about Orin representing the misogynistic side of him..
Pls say it ain't so ;__________;
>>8616719
Have you read Brief Interviews with Hideous Men? He was basically one of those Hideous Men himself.
>>8616719
he was redpilled tbaitch
>>8616730
He's pretty cute though, in a weird smelly way
Post literally any book and I'll read it and tell you what I thought in a thread later (one rule: mystery, romance, YA, or fantasy because I'm not a retard)
That pic makes me uncomfortable.
>>8616435
The Dwarf by Pär Lagerkvist
What are your favorite stories from this book?
Mine are
>Forever Overhead
>Tri-Stan: I Sold Sissee Nar to Ecko
>Church Not Made with Hands
>The Depressed Person
And the interview with the guy telling about the hippie girl, think it was the last one.
>>8615977
that would make a sick name for a band bro. so sick. I might call my band brief interviews / hideous men
Book has too much quality to narrow it done.
is this a good starting point for DFW
Leonard Cohen deserved it more than Bob Dylan
prove me wrong
No, that was my first thought too.
>and everyone thought he a crazy nigga
>no one surprised when he pulled da trigga
Why not Flocka then?
>>8615941
Not Flocka, you jester.
>go to this site http://www.openingthebook.com/whichbook/
>select my sliders
>get recs
>search for book on bookzz
>nothing
>search on libgen
>nothing
>select another book
>nothing again
mfw
so, what do?
have you tried abe books or amazon ?
epic, Reddit!
Which chapters were released as singles? I like to start with the hits.
>>8615850
actually, every chapter was released as a single at some point or another
nausicaa is arguably the most famous single from this book, but that's more because of it's controversial reception, rather than because of any merit
>>8615868
Actually I think they stopped serializing it after Nausicaa because that chapter was so controversial
>>8615868
>mfw tried to meme but taken seriously
Harvard is teaching a course on this man's books this semester. They are reading five of them, although I am unsure of which.
What are your thoughts on a class devoted to Wallace? Is this an example of a meme bleeding into academia? Do you think Wallace is deserving of this due to the skill and complexity he shows us in his works? Does he have discernible talent?
Personally I love Wallace. I read Infinite Jest two summers ago based on how popular it was around /lit/ and I loved it. The Pale King is my favorite work of Wallace's and, if it were completed, I firmly believe it would have been far superior to Infinite Jest. It's hard to compare the two because TPK is so unfinished, but I believe what Wallace shows us in TPK is the peak of his writing.
I have also read Oblivion and loved half of it, and liked but did not love the other half. The Soul is Not A Smithy, Good Old Neon, and The Suffering Channel are my favorites.
I read some of Girl With Curious Hair. I enjoyed the title story and Small Expressionless Animals (somewhat) but found it to be very grating due to how insistent Dave was on telling the reader he's clever.
I haven't read any of his essays, but have a copy of A Supposedly Fun Thing.
It would be great to take a class on Wallace, in my opinion. He will still be talked about in many years, I think.
>>8615791
>Is this an example of a meme bleeding into academia?
of course not. it was a meme in academia and that's where it bled out from
>Do you think Wallace is deserving of this due to the skill and complexity he shows us in his works?
complexity doesn't warrant a class and his skill is debatable. if there is a reason for teaching him, and I'm not saying there is a good one, it isn't this
>>8615791
>I firmly believe it would have been far superior to Infinite Jest
It probably would've been Nobel Prize-tier if you know what I mean :^)
Why wouldn't it warrant academic examination? Widely regarded as the greatest american novel of the last 40 years and a very extensive examination of american culture.
>He thinks Bob Dylan is Mediocre and isn't more deserving of the Nobel Prize than some meme author like Murakami
His lyrics aren't very good.
>>8615784
He's better than Murakami, who is quite frankly pure shit, but there are in turn other authors far more deserving.
>>8615821
Some of them aren't.
Some of them are.
Now that pandora's box is open, i would not feel surprised if the next nobel goes to a comic writer. Like pic.
Doubtful; the committee is too limp-wristed to hold his book
>>8615752
Even this would have been better than what we got
>>8615752
>cranky anarchist/wizard gets awarded by pompous, uberwealthy Swedes for writing an "opulent mythology of working-class Northampton"
>he spends the entire speech haranguing them about how shit they are
It would be worth it.