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>You're as good at public speaking as Christopher Hitchens
> You have to adopt all his dumb views
Deal?
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Pass.
>You're as good at writing as Sylvia Plath.
>You have her emotional maturity
Deal?
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>>8634810
Nope, happiness>smarts
> You're as poetic as Ted Hughes
> You have to be as much of an asshole as him
Are you brave enough /lit/?
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>>8634823
I'll take it.
>You are Melville having finished Moby Cock
>It never becomes celebrated in your lifetime
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Is this just nonsense or am I stupid?
I'm having a difficult time grasping these concepts, can anyone break them down?
Reading this feels like looking at an 'assemblage' of words with no meaning
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The Body Without Organs shook me for a while and I had to look it up on Stanford but it isn't that difficult when you get used to their style.
What terms or arguments aren't you getting I could try to help you out.
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>>8634791
I'm gonna be honest I haven't actually read it, i'm just going off lecture notes.. but i'm completely lost. The terms Nomad, War Machine and Multiplicity all fly right over my head.
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>>8634837
You need to start with the Greeks and work your way up
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I am at a library. Whats a good book with violence, horror, and a guy mudering people???
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2666 by Roberto Bolano.
Red Harvest by Dashiell Hammett.
The Autumn of the Patriarch by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
London Fields by Martin Amis.
The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad.
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Canadian Crazy
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>>8634763
Iliad.
>book has sex scene
>author doesn't describe the rimjob
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>sex scene has rimjob
>book describes the author
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>>8634716
>book has bathroom scene
>author doesn't describe the coprophagia
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>book features a naked woman
>author omits to describe if her asshole is dark or bleached
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What books will help me become a better writer?
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my diary by Tee B. H. Phambly
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Anyone. Just copy the masters's style.
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What do you guys think about Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison? I'm about two thirds of the way through and so far I like it. I read the prologue and I thought it was gonna be Notes from the Underground but the guy is black but it's actually more insightful than that. Right now I guess I'm struggling with how Ellison is portraying the conflict between group identity and individual identity.
The beginning of the novel seems to be pretty condemning of group identity, like how Bledsoe and the white trustee Norton both seem to care more about the narrator fitting into the group identity they have established for blacks as fitting an educated yet subservient role to whites. When the narrator leaves the college though and joins the Brotherhood, it feels like he's still having his individuality rejected and instead filling a generic role for the Brotherhood instead of the white man. Is Ellison proposing this as a solution or is he equally condemning black organizations for not caring about individualism?
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>>8634567
I read the prologue three or four times before somehow managing to lose the book.
Prologue is God-tier. That's all I have to contribute.
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>>8634589
Yeah my teacher says the prologue does a good job of setting up the whole book; I'm gonna go back and reread it once I've finished. The theme set up in the prologue still kinda confuses me though; when the narrator's grandfather says he is a traitor, is it meant to be ironic since he spent all his life serving whites in the white power structure, or is there some potence to his "resistance" that I missed, thus making his statement unironic?
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>>8634600
It's not a book about blacks and whites. He describes a universal human condition
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Books you disliked, then later re-read and loved
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What books did you read as an adolescent/when you were younger, and either disliked and/or didn't understand, only to later in life re-read them and find out how great they are?
Pic related is a major example for me. We had to read parts of it in high school, and I remember feeling confused and bored. I never finished it. I'm 27 now and I re-read it early in 2016, and it's now one of my favorite books. I can understand why my high school teacher wanted to teach it, but I don't think young students can summon the necessary appreciation for a book like The Grapes of Wrath.
More or less the same thing happened with To Kill a Mockingbird. Tried it in high school, failed, re-read later and was impressed.
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Steibbeck is trash for middle americans. But you should take my opinion with a grain o salt because the only literature that I enjoy is ironic postmodern wankery
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>>8634502
I didn't read it in high school but I recently read that same book at 26 and I thought it would be immature but it turned out to be fantastic.
I read a nonfiction book earlier this year about a cotton growing family in CA called the Boswells. It was a great book and if you're interested in the bosses of the okies and all the shady shit that went down during that time you should read it, the title is The King of California.
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I remember last year when all the talk about a new meme trilogy was going on an image was floating around with The Recognitions, The Corrections, and another book with a similar title. Does anyone remember the third book? Also I just started reading the Recognitions and am really enjoying it, so I guess Gaddis General
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>>8634453
>so I guess Gaddis General
Don't try to make a joint Gaddis General/"meme trilogy" thread. You are literally the type of person he is lampooning in that work. Leave the meme charts alone now and move on.
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>>8634585
I don't care about the meme charts I'm just trying to remember the title of that book because it seemed interesting. I added Gaddis General because that question is not substantial enough for a thread on its own. You've read the book and yet you contribute nothing, please do so.
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>>8634623
>You've read the book and yet you contribute nothing
Yep.
>please do so.
Nope.
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>single-handedly solved the problem of nothing
>proposed a unique ontological characterization of the metaphysical nature of reality
>ended philosophy before it really began
Why do you fags worship Heracucktis when we have this far superior memester to address all of our concerns?
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Because Heraclitus single-handedly BTFO him before he even lived.
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>>8634385
Zeno is king, don't even try and shill your bullshit you over-glorified cryptic poet.
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Thales pretty much ended philosophy though
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Is he really the master? 2016-10-19 01:44:17 Post No.8634349
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Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell,
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.
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If the Trump campaign is shaming Beyonce for sexy lyrics and equating it to predatory behavior, King should be viewed as an abominable human being, not for his skill (debatable), but for his content.
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>>8634362
I'm voting for Trump because of this
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That's John Donne
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What should I read next? I can't decide.
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>bookshelf full of meme
>psp titles
Metal gear ac!d desu
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>>8634252
Lolita,
Maybe Moravagine
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>>8634252
>Alistair Macleod
How is he?
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Post great speeches and soliloquies of fictional characters. Choose from your favorites.
Shakespeare is valid, but try to vary the sources.
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Atlas Shrugged, p. 912-989
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>>8634215
Aogami Pierce, (Vol 5) : "Ha, you’re too naïve, Kami-yan. I have a wide range of acceptance when it comes to women: not just fallen female main characters but also foster sisters, foster mothers, foster daughters, twins, widows, senpais, kouhais, fellow classmates, teachers, childhood friends, ojousamas, blondes, brunettes, brown-haired, silver-haired, long-haired, medium-haired, short-haired, girls wearing bobby pins, wavy-haired, twintails, ponytails, one-sided ponytails, twin braids, ahoges, curly-haired, girls in sailor clothes, blazers, judogi, kyuudougi, kindergarten nurses, maids, policewomen, witches, shrine maidens, nuns, military women, secretaries, lolis, shotas, tsunderes, cheerleaders, stewardesses, waitresses, goth girls wearing black, goth girls wearing white, girls in China dresses, frail girls, albino girls, fantasists, girls with split personalities, queens, princesses, thigh-high socks, garterbelts, girls who cross-dress as guys, girls who wear glasses, girls who wear an eyepatch, girls who wear bandages, girls in school swimsuits, one-piece swimsuits, bikinis, V-shaped bikinis, bikinis that barely cover anything, youkai, ghosts, animal-eared girls, etc.- any female is within my area of acceptance."
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>>8634215
bump
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Do you collect antique books or manuscripts /lit/?
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>>8634041
A few odds and ends, but having no budget has greatly hampered my unimpressive collection.
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there's this used bookstore the next town over that's pretty small and doesn't really have anything you would actually want to read
but it has a "local interest" section that has stuff like decade old copies of local literary journals, encyclopedias about the state from the 1890s, vanity published books about churches, and antiquated legal procedures
i've definitely been to better bookstores, but i've never had a more fun section to browse than that local interest one
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I wish I could. The money I have barely handles my cheap collection of regular prints. Someday, I want to put my hands on a carthusian manuscript.
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Is it pretty safe to assume that Pynchon was at least partially influenced by Catch-22 while he was writing Gravity's Rainbow? They both seem to share themes of paranoia as well as alienation and helplessness in the face of an uncaring and hopelessly complex war-machine that leads the protagonist into a mental downward spiral (to a lesser extent in Catch-22). The settings are in the same time-period with various liberties taken to historical accuracy, and they share the same blend of "low-brow" humor and satire with hard-hitting moments of seriousness and reflection.
Has anyone else put heavier thought into this or read into it at all? I found a paper someone wrote on the subject back in the 90's but it is unfortunately behind a paywall.
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>>8634034
>Is it pretty safe to assume that Pynchon was at least partially influenced by Catch-22 while he was writing Gravity's Rainbow
i dont know
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>>8634034
Both men were WW2 veterans and the tone of their novels was probably a natural response to their experiences.
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>>8634034
behind a paywall, you say?
http://sci-hub.io/
i'll trade you this for the link to said paper!
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Why should I read this book?
Serious question. It's a massive commitment so I'd like to hear some of the reasons it's so great according to this board.
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It's the Reddit of literary fiction
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>>8634008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Jest#Critical_reception
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>>8634008
>1,079 pages
It's like 3 small books, just get to it.