>"I'm very divided. I love that the novel committee opens up for other kinds of literature - lyrics and so on. I think that's brilliant. But knowing that Dylan is the same generation as Pynchon, Philip Roth, Cormac McCarthy, makes it very difficult for me to accept it. I think one of those three should have had it, really. But if they get it next year, it will be fine."
>https://www.theguardian.com/books/live/2016/oct/13/karl-ove-knausgaard-webchat-some-rain-must-fall-my-struggle
Is he right?
>pynchon, delillo, mccarthy
knausgaard is /lit/ as fuck
does he post here?
>>8635636
Well, his should have been more firm in his criticism, but it's good that atleast someone big in the literary establishment, even if he's something of a pariah, says something publicly
>>8635639
>does he post here?
Highly unlikely but you never know.
John Carter was better than Tarzan
>>8635608
this thread will die because nobody disagrees but JCoM still is too pulpy for the four people on this board.
>>8635654
I have nothing to say but you must know that I agree withy our assesment of the film, down to it being one of my favourites, especailly the first two thirds.
>Harry and Hermione don't end up together
>You will never wake up to Satan giving you the best vodka and caviar you've ever tasted
>>8635544
Rowling fell for the le epic twist meme
Where's my Hermione?
>Literally wanting to get cucked
>>8635529
Hermione=Hermann
Boom, mindfuck.
>>8635529
What makes you think she was even real?
You know what's funny? Before Dylan won the Nobel /lit/ liked his work for the most part.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S7163641
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S7215808
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S8341719
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S6023719
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S3848254
that is insanely fucking funny
>>8635471
I like dylan too, but he definitly shouldn't have gotten the award
bunch of boomer scum giving the award to themselves tbqh
What is it about the history/geography/culture of Russia that led to the collective prolificacy of writers and poets as Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov, filmmakers like Tarkovsky, Einstein, etc?
Not that other cultures don't have their share of insightful artists, but there seems to be a common poetic thread between all these artists that points back to the culture of Russia. Maybe it's just how fucking cold Siberia is
>>8635463
What do they have to do with Siberia?
>>8635463
They are the boundary between east and west. On the outskirts of Europe. They struggled between embracing western ideas and keeping national identity. There was also lots of strife such as famine, corruption and nihilism.
Also high average intelligence.
>>8635463
that's five people. it's not really all that many.
i know there's more, but those are the big guys and most countries have as many.
Is this man a talentless hack?
>>8635275
yes
why? @ all responders
>get a idea for a short story
>excited
>begin to write
>get tired and bored after 10 minutes
>remember this now 5 weeks later
>look at what I wrote
>>8635194
What was the idea, OP?
>>8635207
a haunted island
If you write it i'll send you a dick pic bruh
Any literature (Poetry, Philosophy, Novels, anything else) that is accessible to a teenager in High School (Age 16)
John Green - the fault in our stars
>>8635184
Iliad, Odyssey.
>>8635184
Plato, read the Ion
I've read Pynchon, I've read Joyce; you know, the folks that busy themselves with referencing millions of things in 2 paragraphs. But starting in on Pound I'm feeling overwhelmed. Anyone else working through the cantos willing to share some advice?
find a poet who is actually worth your time
Pound was obtuse but he also said a lot of incredibly stupid things. he was obscure but also very shallow
ezra pound was held by americans in an iron cage for his beliefs, if it is a good reason to read him i dunno
>>8635182
mental institutions are one of the shameful legacies of that era. Pound should have been executed as a traitor to his country, not locked up as a lunatic.
My friend thinks that artists can only create good art if they have had a life of pain and suffering, and that happy people cannot craft powerful art. He also says that comedy is a lesser form of art then drama (saying that Shakespeare is remembered for his dramas not his comedies (even though comedy had a different meaning back then)).
Do you agree? Personally, I disagree completely, but what do you think /lit/
>>8635102
your friend is wrong. happy people can have good art, sheltered people can't. people who suffered often make one sided, bitter art that is shocking and revolutionary to sheltered people
your friend is an idiot
>>8635111
Nigaa stfu youre sheltered yourself
How can I learn to write maximalist literature well? Can you make everything in maximalist literature be important/entertaining, or will some of it inevitably be boring/confusing/pointless?
The only book I've read that I've heard called maximalist is Infinite Jest. What other books are there that can help, and what specifically can they teach me?
lol.
kys
Read Dickens. The real OG of the overly Verbose game
prove there isn't
>>8634930
which room?
>>8634934
the rhino room
>>8634930
Reminder Wittgenstein was never wrong
Just read this for the first time, it was actually pretty good, Don't get me wrong heavy handed as fuck but it was good.
That being said I dont see anything wrong with what Napoleon did. Without him they wouldn't have gotten where they are.
Napoleon didn't make a single positive contribution to the farm. Snowball and the other animals did all the hard work and fighting. He seized power with his army of dogs after the independence and prosperity of the farm was already secure.
>>8634890
Yeah but Snowball was a nerdy pussy anyway. Napoleon got shit done. Though banning Beasts of England was a shit idea.
Seizing absolute power for himself was literally the only shit Napoleon got done. Name one positive accomplishment he was personally responsible for. Protip: you can't.
Snowball may have been a nerd, if by nerd you mean he was intelligent enough to design the windmill and outsmart the humans in battle. Snowball certainly wasn't a pussy. He showed great courage in the Battle of the Cowshed while Napoleon was nowhere to be found.
Snowball's superior ability to lead is the reason Napoleon felt the need to eliminate him in the first place. He could never rise to the top with him around. I'm beginning to doubt you even read this book.
Watched Pic related, is this a real quote?
>There's a thing in the book about how when somebody leaps from a burning skyscraper, it's not that they're not afraid of falling anymore, it's that the alternative is so awful. And so then you're invited to consider what could be so awful that leaping to your death would seem like an escape from it. I don't know if you have any experience with this kind of thing. But it's worse than any kind of physical injury. It may be in the old days what was known as a spiritual crisis: feeling as though every axiom in your life turned out to be false... and there was actually nothing. And that you were nothing. And that it's all a delusion and you're so much better than everybody 'cause you can see how this is just a delusion, and you're so much worse because you can't fucking function. It's really horrible.
>>8634850
Yeah I can't remember if it was from one of his short stories or an interview (maybe both) but he talked about this in reference to watching 9/11
>>8634850
Sound like a reworking of
>The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
Which is a popular quote by him.
>>8634850
its in infinite jest. kate gompert's first scene i believe