How do I write a novel that isn't plot driven? I can't seem to be able to write anything that takes place in a character's mind. I can't write what they're thinking in a compelling way, and I can't make any longer than a sentence or two.
How do I get better at this? I want to be able to write a character driver story.
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Read Dostoevsky
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Read Virginia Woolf
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Think Beckett. Think Pynchon. Think Gaddis. Think.
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anyone here /philosophy/?
I need some assistance in understanding Hobbes's Leviathan. I found it interesting as a structural framework of how we operate in a sovereign, but I could use some help in critique.
I think It's obvious that Hobbes was quite idealistic in its leanings in comparison to Machiavelli's Prince. Any discussion would be helpful
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>>8667878
Try science, retard
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>>8667885
oh, ok lad.
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>>8667878
Indeed, good sir.
Have you perchance heard of Samuel Harris?
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Just started pic related, finished book one. I like it, but what should I expect?
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You should expect mentioning of some brothers
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>>8667872
mystery
a caution about the workings of the justice system
universal family and relationship dynamics
the best debate in literature about faith
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The best fictional discussion of universal sin and vicarious atonement
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Ugly fantasy/SF covers 2016-10-28 14:28:19 Post No.8667858
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Let's talk about covers. Why the fuck do so many SF, and particularly fantasy, books have these godawful embarrassing-to-read-in public covers? I find it extremely difficult to believe that detailed market analysis and costumer feedback points them in this terrible direction. Am I wrong? Who shits up the poor covers?
Post horrific covers, please! My personal favorite are covers like pic related, where they use actual humans. At least the old-time fantasy covers had a comic charm to them, but this? Jesus christ.
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>>8667858
>I find it extremely difficult to believe that detailed market analysis and costumer feedback points them in this terrible direction. Am I wrong?
Yes
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>>8667858
This is very standard stuff. I see garbage like this at the supermarket or places like riteaid all the time.
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>>8667858
It's budgets, you turd.
Back in ye olden times they had bad ass covers because that's what the cheapest artists could do (as they had all learned in community colleges at a time when art focused on technical skill through life drawing rather than stacking garbage).
Now we have a generation of digital artists taking every job they can get their hands on.
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Any must read french books /lit/? Looking to practice my french.
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>>8667847
la princesse de clèves
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>>8667847
L'histoire de l'oeil
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Les Misérables
Germinal
Le Comte de Monte Cristo
Bel-Ami
All fantastic novels
But if your French ain't that good and you want to practice with something easier before moving on to quality lit you could try Amélie Nothomb, she's not great with a capital G but her books are funny and easy to read and not exactly trash 'roman de gare' either.
Or you could tell us what you like so that we could give you more specific advice
Has anyone written as convincingly in favor of girl stinks as Joyce?
Any other writings that elaborate on girl stinks from girl holes?
Thanks
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>>8667825
Not stinks, but Kundera wrote some kinky kinky shit about girls fluids and stuff, if that helps
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>>8667825
>Any other writings that elaborate on girl stinks from girl holes?
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>>8667825
I've just started reading Joyce (I'm not a native speaker, sorry). Which book are yoi referring to? Genuinely interested.
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Anyone here read Swedenborg?
How do materialists rationalize this kind of shit?
>On Thursday, 19 July 1759 a great and well-documented fire broke out in Stockholm, Sweden.In the high and increasing wind it spread very fast, consuming about 300 houses and making 2000 people homeless.
When the fire broke out Swedenborg was at a dinner with friends in Gothenburg, about 400 km from Stockholm. He became agitated and told the party at six o'clock that there was a fire in Stockholm, that it had consumed his neighbor’s home and was threatening his own. Two hours later, he exclaimed with relief that the fire had stopped three doors from his home. In the excitement following his report, word even reached the ears of the provincial governor, who summoned Swedenborg that same evening and asked for a detailed recounting.
At that time, it took two to three days for news from Stockholm to reach Gothenburg by courier, so that is the shortest duration in which the news of the fire could reach Gothenburg. The first messenger from Stockholm with news of the fire was from the Board of Trade, who arrived Monday evening. The second messenger was a royal courier, who arrived on Tuesday. Both of these reports confirmed every statement to the precise hour that Swedenborg first expressed the information.
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Swedenborg was behind it all, as a ploy to work up his reputation. He had the fire started and hired professional fartsmen to ensure strong winds.
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He was a product of rationalist enlightenment thought and wrote extensively on science. At some point he had a breakdown and got heavily in to god. Producing huge books on theology that no one cared about or barely knew existed. So he conceived a marketing ploy using his scientific and engineering knowledge to start a time delayed fire which he could predict along with a few other parlor tricks. Gaining a reputation of a visionary with a hotline to the divine helped his second career flourish.
Oh well might as well post it, not so sure about professional farters though.
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Around 30 years AD, Jesus was crucified and stabbed with a spear. On the third day he rose from the dead, as reported by Paul and multiple other sources.
How do materialists rationalize this kind of shit?
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Does the gender of a Main Character ever make or break the deal for you /lit/? What are your preferences? Are there those among you who shy away from books with female/male main characters? Why do you think that is?
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>>8667738
I don't have a preference. Good literature is good regardless.
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>>8667738
Personally I refuse to read books with male protagonists, they're just so two dimensional and always want the EXACT same thing
Yawn
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>Tranny MC
Drop it like an ugly baby.
Has anyone here ever taken time from full-time employment to focus on their writing?
Is this a retarded idea in 2016?
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>>8667721
Yes that is extremely retarded
You'll go from not writing shit while employed to not writing shit while neet
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>>8667721
I wrote pic related in one month after quitting my job. Editing took a couple more months.
It was absolutely a retarded idea but I'd do it all over again because that job made my life a living hell.
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It's not retarded if you are disciplined and have at least double your salary saved (1 yr to live on for 1 yr and a buffer amount for emergencies/shit hitting the fan).
If you aren't going to write on average 6-8 hours (whether writing or editing or shopping your shit around), does it really make sense to be unemployed? If you are looking to snag a few extra hours each day, but less than a full day, you could easily get a more flexible job.
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Can you imagine something comparable in value and style to In Search of Lost Time set in the present? Is there an inherent vacuous or aesthetically repulsive quality to our time or is it just a trick of perception, a sort of self-consciousness Proust and other classic writers would've felt of their time too?
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>>8667676
Honestly, deference to the "classics" is the result of nostalgia and years of self-selection by pretentious /lit/ fags. In 100 years people will decry their literature as degenerate and refer back to the great works of today.
Certainly not to take away from Proust, but very much to take away from the whole "contemporary literature is shit" movement on here that is dishonest at best.
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>>8667788
I did not mean contemporary literature so much as the possibility of depiction of contemporary life in a great and meaningful piece of literature in detail. For example it seems impossible to include any time spent on computers without it sounding distasteful
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>>8667795
True but in Proust's time there were other equally awful situations, like workhouses and suffering from tuberculosis.
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So I've been wanting to read this blokes book 'Art of War', but don't know which translation to read.
Is the direct translation the best - Chinese symbols translated directly, or a more coherent translation?
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>>8667659
Meme book
Pro-tip, stick to the Western Canon
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has anyone here read hanfeizi?
i read five vermin for an east asian history class and it's pretty cool desu
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Does anyone have the chart that has this, some Eliade and Hero of a Thousand Faces on it?
Can't remember what it was called or what the theme was.
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is this it you disgusting fucking cunt?
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>>8667626
Indeed it is, thanks.
I remember it having a title though.
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>>8667626
>Jung
>In any chart
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How come /lit/ is not celebrating this? 2016-10-28 11:11:43 Post No.8667541
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How come /lit/ is not celebrating this?
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>OMG /lit/ you have disappointed the world.
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WUZ
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>>8667559
KANGZ
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If you are an immigrant, do you feel that you've arrived at the promised land 2016-10-28 11:11:33 Post No.8667540
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If you are an immigrant, do you feel that you've arrived at the promised land
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Do you try to integrate or do you stick with other immigrants...
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>>8667540
Why is that just a Clash cover but with a broom?
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>>8667664
Because it is an endless chain of pop cultural callbacks to give your new work an illusion of depth.
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>>8667540
It depends on a lot of things. If you immigrate as a child you're pretty much going to be integrated by default. Adult immigrants are the ones with a strong attachment to their home countries. Personally, I never gave a damn for any national identity but I like living in the city I've ended up in if only because I'm used to it now after living here for 20 years.
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GUEQOGS FUCKING GAY FOR ISHMAIL
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>HI I'm Moby Dick
Really Melville really?
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>>8667536
Didn't they literally sleep together? It's been 5 years since I read the book but I remember them being in bed.
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>>8667740
They had to sleep together because there weren't enough rooms in the inn for the night