I've just finished the Iliad and Odyssey. What are some good texts/essays or whatever to complement or get more out of them?
>>9932318
>or whatever
Watch The Odyssey miniseries that aired on NBC in the 90's. That shit was dope.
>>9932330
Thanks. I will.
https://chs.harvard.edu/CHS/article/display/5576 is a good look into the concept of the hero itself.
>you ain't born a woman: you become one
Is she, dare I say it, right?
Yes.
There's been research that proves women and men are treated differently from birth, in how they are nursed, breastfeeded, raised, taught, taught to play, etc. We are trained to play these roles which we're given, what that implies varies from society to society and epoch to epoch.
It isn't an outright rejection of biology, Beauvoir realizes that the most radical difference between the sexes: the capacity to give birth, is what originally determined the position that each of these roles should occupy in society. But these positions, this infrastructure, is maintained by society, we aren't programmed from birth to act them, we're trained to do so.
>>9940135
No she is not, mostly genders arise from distinct biological differences. A sulky woman can always be nurtured with a sweet treat while a man will commit suicide. These things are biological as much as born out of socialization.
The answer is that you are born to be what you are. You might grow but you cannot grow out of what you physically are.
>>9940197
Do you ever get tired of being blatantly retarded?
I finished this up yesterday. Does anybody want to talk about it? At first the rambling sentences were very noticeable but soon I wasn't even thinking about them. Bolaño has a way of holding the reader's interest and his writing feels fluid. What do you make of the ending?
literally who
My ejaculate is pretty fluid. Sometimes lumpy, too.
S O R D E L L O
Just finished pic related. What does /lit/ think of it? I hated it and loved it at the same time, it's kinda difficult to explain. The premise and the first 150 and last 150 pages are simply insanely well-written and paced. The middle section, though, yeesh.
This is Eco's best novel, no doubts about it.
>>9932323
i got my mother-in-law "the name of the rose" for her birthday last week. she's an episcopal priest who wrote a dissertation on medieval mystics. good choice or no?
>>9932342
It'd only be a bad choice if she's read it already. But if she hasn't it sounds like it was literally written for her.
>she's an episcopal priest who wrote a dissertation on medieval mystics.
I mean come on this is so perfect it feels like a ruse.
>started in 1991
>still not finished
whats the reason for this
>>9932231
Fat people are lazy.
>>9932231
He wrote himself into a knot and he's not good enough to figure it out properly.
>when someone says Fahrenheit 451 is about censorship
>when he thinks that he can tell people what books are about
>>9932210
It's better than "Hurr durr TV is bad yo"
>when someone says the Blond Beast means the Aryan paragon
>The great Irish novel is about a cuckold jew.
>>9939681
Do saying jew and cuck all the time never get tiring for you people
>inb4 kike cuck
ok
>>9939685
>not realizing Joyce would be on the side of the shitposters if he were still alive
wewlad
>>9939685
t. Sexually humiliated Hebrew
I want books dealing with mental illness. Not about mental illness as the topic, but either with mentally ill main characters or written by mentally ill authors (with their mental illness showing through the writing in one way or another). I don't want it to necessarily be preachy about it either like "see, this main character was mentally ill, the whole story was a cry for help" or some shit, but just a blunt depiction of how these people deal with situations
Wait for my debut novel to come out
>>9932200
>>9932200
pic unrelated
Just finished pic related. What's /lit/'s take on it?Overall, I thought it was alright, but I felt like the message could be easily confused with something way more pessimistic than it really is.
I don't know what the message is. I'm visiting from /tv/ and procrastinating writing a pre-quiz for my students tomorrow. I will say that I've read a lot of Hemingway and that this is my favorite work of his. I cried when I read it the first time.
Here's my honest opinion:
Oh, my good lord in heaven. Cut your line, land your boat and go to McDonald's! Just as in the case of The Great Gatsby, I understand the book. Yes, I know it changed the way American writers write. I also understand that it celebrates the ridiculous American idea that you're only a REAL man if you've done something entirely purposeless, but really dangerous, in pursuit of making yourself look like the bull with the biggest sexual equipment. Get over it, already! Go home and clean out the refrigerator, or wash the curtains, or vacuum under the furniture. Pick your kids up from school or take your daughter bra shopping. THAT would impress me. Being too dumb to cut your fishing line? Not the mate I would pick...
The only bright spot about the book is if you think of it on a metaphorical level: there is a point at which ALL of us must grit our teeth and hold on in the face of despair. That is the definition of life. However, if that's the point, then the plot situation needs to be one of necessity (like the shipwreck in Life of Pi), instead of stubbornness
Solid book, and I think makes a very strong case for Hemingway's economical lexicon. God, I just realized its been just shy of a decade since I read this.
Why does /lit/ hate him?
>>9939613
Because fun is 'degenerate'. We are too busy right wing virtue-signalling.
>>9939619
Sad
>>9939619
>fun is 'degenerate'
Couldn't put it better myself.
"The "I" who speaks in this book is by no means the author. Rather, the author wishes that the reader may come to see himself in this "I": that the reader may not simply relate to what is said here as he would to history, but rather that while reading he will actually converse with himself, deliberate back and forth, deduce conclusions, make decisions like his representative in the book, and through his own work and reflection, purely out of his own resources, develop and build within himself the philosophical disposition that is presented to him in this book merely as a picture. "
-OJ Simpson in the preface to "If I Did It"
damn...
>>9932112
that was the ghostwriter, boy
Da Juice may be loose but he sure didn't write that.
hey fellas, any suggestions for some tomes a la Slavoj Zizek or Jean Levi Strauss?
Looking for some cultural criticism/philosophy type books to rise above the noise of american politics, see what people are really doing at the level of superstitious animals, despite all our outward affects of luxury and progress?
anyone feel me on this?
the bible
>>9932106
claude levi-strauss**
fucked up <3
>>9932114
been there, done that. never leaves my noggin, don't you worry
I recently found out there's a reading club in my town. I'm pretty sure it's filled with normies and pseuds, although there might be intellectual cuties. I'm disgustingly introverted.
Should I go? Have you ever been to one? Is it an enjoyable experience?
>>9932101
Go and check it out. If it's not for you at least you tried anon. Fight the introversy.
>>9932101
>Should I go? Have you ever been to one? Is it an enjoyable experience?
Yes, Yes, No.
>>9932101
Try it out at least and try to become more extroverted.
>one-star review of classic literature
>reviewer is a woman
report spam threads
>ask classmates what they're researching
>male classmates are all researching fascinating, unique, or at least ambitious things
>woman: "Misogyny in Rome"
>woman: "Misogyny and Hamlet"
>woman: "The intersection of misogyny and periods in Hamlet"
>woman: "Women"
>woman: "Opinions about women having sex in Weimar newspapers"
>woman: "Women in the work of Robert Musil"
>woman: "Vagina"
>woman: "I have a vagina"
>woman: "I'm a woman btw. Vagina here"
>woman: "Sex and periods in gender"
>woman: "Woman perceptions of woman, ,vagina, cooters breasts woman period I'm on my period clitorises in the work of the band Oingo Boingo and Hamlet's Perception of Clitoris Vagina Gender Studies"
>woman: "Queering Gender in Medieval Manuscripts: Your period or MY period?"
>woman: "Misogyny, Periods, and You: Ernst Cassirer on Substance, Function, and My Gay Love Affair with Gender Studies"
>woman: "Women in 'Woman's Work': Gendering Gender in the Social Sciences"
>woman: "Prostitution and Gender in Antebellum Calcutta"
>woman: "Gender"
>woman: "Sex and gender studies"
>woman: "Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding"
>woman: "Einstein contra Bergson: Who rapes me more by having existed?"
If Xavier: Renegade Angel is adapted into written form, what would be the best analogue?
>a classical Greek philosophical dialogue ala Plato's Symposium
>a metaphysical poetry collection ala Herbert's The Temple or Donne's Sacred Sonnets
>a Romantic epic ala Keats' Isabella and the Pot of Basil
>a Bildungsroman travellogue novel ala Moll Flanders and Robinson Crusoe
My vote is for the last option. What about you?
>>9932069
A Burroughs Novel, you're just memeing.
It's be a Pynchon novel desu
you're mom's diary XD