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I have decided that I want to read all of Nietzsche's major works, should I just go in chronological order or what?

This isnt a bait thread so i probably wont get any replies but whatever
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>>8678884
He's only worth reading for the prose, the order will change jack.
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>>8678884
I found The Antichrist to be his most accessible work.
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>>8678884
genealogy of morals if u want a more structured overview or if u plan on long term nietzsche reading then best is chronologically but if u mainly for the prose look up some neche ideas and go to zarathustra

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>started reading An Enquiry concerning Human Understanding
>Past the intro
>First chapter
>this
>prose
>continue reading
>this
>prose

I thought you people were memeing when you said Hume was a fantastic writer. I'm blown away with how well this is written. What other philosophers, bar Plato, have prose of this caliber?
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>>8678852
My diarist- Hegel's prose is great, honestly.
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>>8678852
Schopenhauer.
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Nietzsche desu. Hate the philosophy if you want (though that would make you a pleb), but his writing is top-tier.

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I'm offering 400$ to anyone willing to help me translate a book I wrote. Also, he or she will be awarded the rights on all income the book might produce. It is about stories. It is written in french but uses reference to american cinematography mostly and few Quebec movies you don't need to see in order to put in english terms what it is about.

I will also work on translation, but if someone could do it, I would be happy to share this experience.

The name in french is:
"L'achèvement narratif

exposé sur l'accomplissement de l'objectif

les convictions"
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I would like the title in english to be :

"Come closer

putting an end to the story"
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You really came to the wrong place for this.
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>>8678818
I master english and spanish 90%

Spanish is my native language, so perhaps if you find someone to translate it from french, i can help you with the spa translation or viceversa.

Also, how many pages does your book have?

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The 'dark enlightenment' is retarded.

Yeah, a few nerds and a horde of neckbeards are going to somehow lash the 'herd' back into some sort of new Dark Age that will somehow have all the little features and quirks they want it to have. No matter how they try to legitimize this crap, it's pure fantasy.

Bunch of dorks swishing their capes at our decadent consumerist society b/c mom couldn't give them a ride to the renaissance faire.

Landposting is the worst kind of shitposting.
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>>8678750
>implying he isn't our guy
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this isn't /lit/
sage
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What's the deal with mencius moldbug? I looked at his blog and he just has a superiority complex over everything.

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I apologise if my subject seems to be a lot of babble, please let me elaborate.

My other scifi favourites go along the lines of Philip K Dick and Arthur C Clark. I'm also highly appreciative of any other recommendations you may have. I love scifi that makes me question things.

To start, a little about the book, which I highly recommend, I found it incredible. (Skip this part to get straight to my question in post #2, but I thought I'd do my best to interest others in reading this book)

I recently stumbled across pic related and thoroughly enjoyed it. It is set in a time where a massive super computer spans across the world, this computer is extremely intelligent and complex, managing its processes by itself, unmanned. The computer system is responsible for a huge amount of things, farming, collection of power and resources and is even able to perform physical self repair.
The computer also functions like a massive resource for information, almost like a more heavily regulated wikipedia. Information which is gathered by Computer One itself, scientists and other researchers throughout the world is published on here through an agreement which the vast majority of countries and communities abide by. All information is freely available, provided that your country or community has agreed to make all of it's findings available through the system also. If anybody is found to be withholding anything from this database then this results in the whole country being disconnected from access to what is essential the library of all human knowledge. Small and secretive communities have developed who either fear or disagree with a society essentially governed by this uncontrollable force are hidden in underground or highly isolated cities outside of the knowledge or range of Computer One.

The plot revolves around the theory that through the huge amount of data available to Computer One, it's evolutionary nature and it fulfilling the requirements for something to be classified as conscious, that the computer will come to identify humans as a potential threat to it's survival and through means which would affect the survival of humans but not itself (radiation, physical viruses) will attempt to eradicate the human race. The main characters in this book are academics, professors and other specialists. An issue with these characters addressing this theory is that any conferences and talks at Universities or other such meeting places is that Computer One records, transcribes and uploads these meetings to it's databases for itself to analyse and for all others to see - so even if their theories are incorrect, it is paradoxical in that it will then make Computer One aware of this survival strategy for itself.
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Now, my question;

In this book given that the main characters are professors and such and that a lot of the book revolves around the development of their theory, a lot of conversations go on in between these characters which are based on real-life studies. One of which I found interesting and did further reading on was Konrad Lorenz On Aggression. As somebody who up until a few months ago mostly read non-fiction on philosophy (general, religion, spirituality), science (chaos, quantum, time) and psychology (strong interest in psychedelic drugs relevant to psychology but also science and philosophy) I very much enjoyed the inclusion of real life studies and theories. It fulfilled an aspect of science fiction which I strongly enjoy more than other books have - questioning the logic, philosophies and other implications that these realities/societies present. Whilst typically the science fiction that I read invokes such thoughts and leads me to further reading based on these thoughts, this book actually delivered some of the information which I desired and even gave me thoughts and answers to things I perhaps wouldn't have come to alone.

Does anybody know of other books which would deliver to me as this book has? Or any other sci-fi recommendations based on what I have mentioned here?

I apologise if my structuring or general means of communicating my ideas and questions hasn't been ideal for you. I do highly appreciate any input, I'm thankful for your time. Thanks very much and have a lovely day/evening!
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>>8678702
Neal Stephenson love his info dumps so maybe check that.
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popping back up

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would the bible still be considered such an important book without all the interpretations that were given to the text during the centuries? in other words, did the authors mean all those deep philosophical, psychological and literary interpretations that were attributed to it? or is it all due to the dominance of monotheistic religions and the consequent infinite reads and rereads of the bible? for example, reading genesis, the text to me seems really simplicistic. there are no characterizations, no details, no explanations. it reads like, i don't know, a random mythology about the creation of the world that someone created without much effort, a bit like greek mythology just much less creative
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>>8678642
This post needs more ellipses between every "question" (read: veiled statement of fact)
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>>8678642
I'd argue very much so yes. Christianity (and by extension Islam) was never pre-determined to wash over most of the World. It was afterall in the beginning a minor sect of relatively irrelevant minority religion within the Roman Empire yet it managed to inspire millions of followers not simply without the aid of power institutions of state but in direct opposition to them.

Say what you will about the legitimacy of religious belief but there is something in the teachings that held so much power and that is what the purpose of all those interpretations over the centuries sought to find out.
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>>8679268
>Christianity (and by extension Islam) was never pre-determined to wash over most of the World.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." - Matthew 24:14
"And he said to them: Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." - Mark 16:15
We could even go back to places in the Old Testament like Isaiah 49 and Zechariah 2 where the conversion of the Gentiles is prophesied

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What is a nice authoritative academic encyclopedia (or similar resource) accessible online where I can learn about literature.

Specifically, some info on how to start reading an author. I want to know what is his best book, where should I start reading him, his style, the literary movement he belongs to, his influences, and the like. What does /lit/ use in this case?
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Wikipedia?
It discusses the major works of an author in depth.
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how to read and why by bloom
how to read a book by adler and van doren
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>>8678596
Well, sadly this is my current source of information. But I'd like something more academic and focused on literature.

>>8678598
I don't think these books have information on every author, do they?

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Yeah, ok...

https://youtu.be/1cuccco2umo?t=1m2s
bonus content at ~8:00
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I'm normally pretty forgiving of pompous talkin' from legit smart dudes, but Bloom definitely seems like he hams it up a bit. There's a bit of gay theatre in him or something.
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Butthurt guntard?
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>>8678548
>1cuccco
damn...

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/lit/ confessions
>I don't read fiction
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I don't think any author ever has heightened the book medium to its full potential
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>>8678547
That's where I come into play
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>>8678555
You need quads for that

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Where do I start with Sartre /lit/?
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the trash
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ew..
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>>8678530
>>8678531
If you guys have nothing helpful to say I'd suggest you sod off and go back to /b/

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Have you ever read a book you have no interest in before reading it just to say you read it?
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>>8678349
I don't even like to read, my narcissim just forces me to try to become a human being I can love.
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Moby Dick. And it was every bit as excruciating as I feared.
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>>8678349
Your pic related
(though not to say I've read it - rather to call it shit in good conscience)

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Is death of an author the greatest lie of literary academia?
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>>8678314
Well it makes sense to me
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>>8678314
Only if you fall for the pleb misconception of what it means.

Idiots on reddit seem to believe it means analyzing the authors intentions and intellectual mission is now to be avoided which it does not. Rather simply that the author isn't the final authority on the meaning of a text
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>>8678314
>being cucked by the author

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Has /lit/ heard of this man?
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>>8678228
Yes he's one of my favorite poets

Hurt Hawks

The broken pillar of the wing jags from the clotted shoulder,
The wing trails like a banner in defeat,

No more to use the sky forever but live with famine
And pain a few days: cat nor coyote
Will shorten the week of waiting for death, there is game without talons.

He stands under the oak-bush and waits
The lame feet of salvation; at night he remembers freedom
And flies in a dream, the dawns ruin it.

He is strong and pain is worse to the strong, incapacity is worse.
The curs of the day come and torment him
At distance, no one but death the redeemer will humble that head,

The intrepid readiness, the terrible eyes.
The wild God of the world is sometimes merciful to those
That ask mercy, not often to the arrogant.

You do not know him, you communal people, or you have forgotten him;
Intemperate and savage, the hawk remembers him;
Beautiful and wild, the hawks, and men that are dying, remember him.

II

I'd sooner, except the penalties, kill a man than a hawk;
but the great redtail
Had nothing left but unable misery
From the bone too shattered for mending, the wing that trailed under his talons when he moved.

We had fed him six weeks, I gave him freedom,
He wandered over the foreland hill and returned in the evening, asking for death,
Not like a beggar, still eyed with the old
Implacable arrogance.

I gave him the lead gift in the twilight.
What fell was relaxed, Owl-downy, soft feminine feathers; but what
Soared: the fierce rush: the night-herons by the flooded river cried fear at its rising
Before it was quite unsheathed from reality.
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>>8678424
Have you visited his Tor Home in Carmel?
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>>8678474
no just seen pictures.

That impressed me as well. He lived in a beautiful house in a beautiful place that he built with his own hands.
The way he lived his life impressed me as much as his poetry.

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Writers: have any of your short stories been published in lit magazines? If so, has this led to any lit or publisher interest in your larger works? I am currently in a conundrum where I receive positive feedback from lit agents, and a publisher or two, yet they pass on publishing the novel. I (foolishly) figure having several shorter pieces published might help on garnering more interest in the longer work.
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Think of it like a resumé. They won't have read your short stories because there are too many zines to keep track of, but if you can include in your cover letter that you were published by a few they've heard the names of then they'll be more likely to pay your work attention. Just because they pay it attention doesn't mean they'll want to publish it though, it's not unusual to get accepted after 40 rejections or so, you just have to keep trying different pub houses.
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>>8678183
Yeah, the way I see it, more interest is better than no interest. Have any of your stories been published? Simply curious about experiences with short story publication.

Anyways, thanks for replying, mate.
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>>8678173

I'm in the same boat OP, been considering short stories as a means to recognition. I think at the most a prior publishing record will get you to the top of the slush pile but in the end it's down to the individual work and the reader.

But I might be wrong, in which case someone feel free to say otherwise.

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I used to dislike Ayn Rand -- until I realised that the only people that hated her worshiped Marx instead
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>muh political tribalism
I genuinely, unironically hate you and everything you stand for, op. I wish that you were dead.
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>>8678129

"Ok"
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Ayn Rand bait, is it 2011 again already?

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