What are some good stories where everyone and everything is fucked up? Anything transgressive or Southern Gothic welcome.
Stuff like pic related or Flannery O'Connor's collections, Breece D'J Pancake's work, some of Irvine Welsh's shorter stuff?
>>8695073
Should have said, I mean short story collections in particular, like all the examples.
>>8695073
Jesus' Son, if you haven't already read it. You'll find in short order that Pancake, Pollock, and Johnson are pretty much interchangeable, with Johnson being the most talented of the group.
>>8695088
Thanks for the tip, looks interesting. Know anyone else in this vein, even if they're inferior to Johnson?
Write a prose or poem or anything that can be characterised to be edgy/stalker/creepy/morbid in any way.
>>8694977
i follow her in my truck
doors unlocked, just my luck
i cum in the fuck
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Annandale, Australia.
I'm in your area.
>>8694977
God is dead
And so is chivalry
They share a grave I look down upon
Eyes blazing under the fedora
Who killed God?
Science it was, bravely
In cold blood murdered
Amidst euphory
Who killed chivalry?
Women it was, sluts
With cold heard murdered
Amidst feminism
Who shall resurrect God?
No one, not me
Who shall resurrect chivalry?
Me, with my nippon steel
God is dead
And so is chivalry
They share a grave I look down upon
Eyes blazing under the fedora
But I am not done yet
For my waifu commands
Blood to stain
Sluts to be slain,
By my glorious nippon blade
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>>8694954
Hilarious. It's a serious question. Do I risk my artistic integrity for marketing by pushing out trash that will get published, or do I keep looking for a respectable publishing house?
>>8694947
I want to jizz on her face
Why do i have to start with the greeks?
>>8694506
You don't have to but they created the foundations of a lot of common English storytelling tropes/structures and have had an enduring presence in the imaginations of artists throughout history.
>>8694506
Is there any chart about the Romans?
>>8694535
it's the chart about the greeks
What comes after postmodernism?
Does Sam Hyde have a gf? I wonder what she's like.
Post-postmodernism.
Modernism.
Is this pretentious and convoluted 1000 pages of literary Idiocracy really worth reading? How does it compare to Dostoyevski?
>>8694364
both are shit, dfw is just the middle class sheltered bitch response.
IST FUCKING DOSTOEVSKY - SKY, NOT SKI.
>>8694388
>I'm an american reeeeee
He's Fjodor Dostojewski in the good languages
>still writing books on moral philosophy
Might as well call it wasting your time.
>>8693915
You know you can still write about moral philosophy without having to invoke a 'bad' externality.
I.e. killing is bad because it destabalises society and makes it hard for all of us to live well.
inb4 society is a spook
I guess what you could say more accurately is that moral philosophy has now become so intertwined with political philosophy that one can almost never speak about it in isolation.
>Immanuel "my brain should be the focal point of my portrait" Kant
Congrats you beta roastie faggot, now the most famous picture of you looks like you're about to be strangled by an alpha like me
Nietzsche would have no issue with books on moral philosophy, as long as they weren't claiming to be objective and had a healthy Wille zur Macht. It would function like a very self-congratulatory autobiography.
>>8693921
That's invoking a bad externality.
I want to learn Freud, but I don't know where to start. What reading material would you guys suggest for a Freud noob?
>>8693712
Intro to Psychoanalysis and the New intro to Psychoanalysis
Zetter's Traum
>>8693751
is there a chat or something who i can read this with?
What are the essentials?
>>8693508
my diary desu
>>8693508
Philosophy in the Bedroom
>>8693508
What is the flaw in pursuing knowledge and logic? It's the most logical thing to live by instead of endlessly philosophically jerking each other?
>>8693205
>logic is the most valuable pursuit
>t. logic
>>8693210
>lol you're using logic to validate logic!!
>t. logic
It's impossible to go against logic, and there's nothing wrong with that, if anything it should be motivating to keep searching for answers, we need to find a way out of the CAN'T KNOW NUFFIN hole we've been stuck in for decades
>>8693205
>>8693228
I hear you my man. I think you might be dealing with the realization that just because something is logical, meaning it follows from given premises, does not necessarily mean it's true. Logic is a tool, not an end in of itself. Most of philosophy has been practiced by men who have reasoned their was to conclusions that were not anchored on something fixed or unchanging, but instead just utilize cursory readings or bias accounts of humanities shortcomings in order to justify their particular solution. It's a good idea to become versed in the sciences or math, like the great polymath philosophers, so you don't wind up thinking words are reality and predicates are causality.
I'm reading Brothers Karamozov for the first time. The Richard Pervear or whatever translation. A couple questions.
What does he mean by "strain"? I couldnt quite pick up the meaning from the context. Best guess have is some type of burden people carry that compels them to do things.
And that poem that Ivan recites to Alyosha. I noticed in another poem earlier that it rhymed, as in the translator decided to reinterpret it to make it rhyme. But when he gives this allegory of the high priest and jesus, it doesnt rhyme at all, its just a story. Did it rhyme in russian? I also had a bit of a hard time extracting the exact meaning of it. Im not a very sharp reader, it was a little too wordy for what it was trying to put across other than that it was speaking to how the religion became perverted and men took it to fulfill their own needs and how free will was a curse. Thanks.
>>8693007
Bump if self bumps work
>>8693007
Why the fuck are you reading that translation when you have access to the internet? Or did you read the first comments in a goodreads thread and just bought the book?
Read Avsey or McDuff.
>>8693918
Whats wrong with that translation? I just went by reviews and google yeah. Plus someone here even suggested in a thread. I read Crime and Punishment translated by this guy and it was far easier to read than the Constance one.
Anyone read this?
>>8692959
Yeah but I think I skipped the philosophical ideology he wanted to make since all I ever get was whining and how bored he was. Please someone enlighten me
Yeah I read it
>>8692959
made me nauseous tbqfhfr senpai desu famalamadingdong
LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
WHICH ENGLISH WRITER HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STYLE?
Bellow is the GOAT English prose stylist of the 20th century
Woolf in The Waves
Gass in Omensetter's Luck. It's his most accomplished novel, and I will fite Tunnelmemers irl.
How is it that Russia produces so much great literature despite being a shitty place to live
>>8692671
>said the amerifat
>>8692671
because being happy and comfortable makes you uninteresting
Struggle and bitterness are perfect for fueling creativity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_VvgpwNMw
>aspie falls in love with a woman he sees once
>Spends months and several pages fantasizing about conversing with her and sperging over painters and shit
>Muh existence sucks
>Finally spots her on the street and follows her
>he drops all of his fucking spaghetti and runs away
>She actually follows him and tells him she's in love too
>40 pages about an immature and extremely dependant relationship
>He gets jealous and kills her
>It's not like she ever liked me anyway
> Pic unrelated
>>8692658
steppenwolf?
>>8692658
for a moment i thought you were talking about my diary desu
>>8692658
Sounds like white nights, except the end