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>>8771194
Just do an internet search with keywords: Schopenhauer Animal Ethics Rights

Schopenhauer has a lot of short texts so it will not take long to read them. You don't need to know the Greeks before reading Schopenhauer.

>>8771194
having to read the Greeks first is a meme.

For Schopenhauer, it would be wise to read Plato and Kant. As he himself says, those are the only ones you need to know to really understand his metaphyisics. Still, even without having profound knowledge of those, you can read him just like that because his prose is very accessible yet at the same time masterful and genius.

Understanding his ethics about animals requires understanding of his whole metaphysical work, most importantly his most valuable work, the World as Will and Representation. Read that first, then you are good to go.

>>8771194
On the basis of morality has a lot of that animal shit (including your two paraphrases I think). It's hilarious how SJW Schopenhauer is for all those edgypoltards who couldn't understand even the essay on women. On the basis of morality has such key points as
>do not call an animal "it"!!!! would you call a baby "it"?zomg2>"!!!
>HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ELEPHANT MOMMIES CRY OVER THEIR DEAD BABIES??
>Western culture so bad, we don't even worship cow

The eating and killing each other part I can't remember in Schopenhauer, because all I can think of is Nietzsche's explanation of it as birds of prey loving little lambs and the lambs misunderstanding.

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I'm currently reading the NRSV with commentary. I highly, highly recommend you get a Bible with some form of commentary, especially if you're not religious.

Reading the Bible without it you'll miss a lot of stuff.

>>8771064

Commentary is essential. Find a nice study bible. If KJV is too difficult, read a modern translation, then go back to the KJV when you've got the basics down.

I'm not religious at all, but I really enjoy the bible as literature.

The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha if you're interested in Christianity. KJV if you're a pseud who just wants to say he's read the bible.

unless ur doing a philosophy degree, it's not worth the time, the greeks had a lot of dumb, but influential ideas, just read a survey to get the gist

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>>8771039
All that matters if that you are genuinely interested in philosophy. GREEKS is not about getting the hidden in jokes, it's about understanding clear sight references in order to understand the argument.

If the philosophy thtat interests you makes no obvious references to Greeks, you don't need the Greeks. If the philosophy keeps making ambiguous references that may or may not presuppose having read the Greeks, you don't need the philosophy.

t. ernest

What the fuck are you expecting? Philosophy is not about finding a guy who wrote a book that you can live your stupid life by. If you don't read Plato and Aristotle you won't understand the rest of western philosophy

Thomas got u gud

Pynchon is the Tarantino of literature.

>>8770975
dude, pynchon stopped writing "great american doorstoppers" after against the day flopped and switched to pulp detective novels...i think that tells u all u need to know

>>8770932
Speak for yourself, I'm on my fourth rereading of À la recherche du temps perdu

>what is for-normie typesetting?

hint: it's why people can read all the harry potter hardcover books in 1 day, even though there are like 2000 pages in total

>>8770932
I read this after it came out because I had never read a Stephen King book. It was mediocre but very easy to blow through. It baffles me that people can read Atlas Shrugged all the way through, I quit when they got to Galt's Gulch.

probabbly killed himself

>>8770930
lol what a retard

>>8770945
That's even worse so I'll stick with the fall theory

>>8770874
My native language is English btw. Should I focus mainly on works originally written in English or do the highly acclaimed translations do ISOLT and other non-English classics justice?

>>8770881
by Virginia Woolf, wasn't she the author who was a big fan of James Joyce during his life? I'll check it out, thanks Anon

>>8770874
Borges and McCarthy.

So the question that emerges from that is
>How do we determine if something is modern or postmodern?

The use of the term seems to vary by medium, no?

In books it almost seems to have no meaning where Wallace, Delillo and Pynchon have the same label of postmodern even though their concerns styles and structures are completely different

In film, there were some modernists (Antonioni, Teshigahara, Resnais to some extent) and some that may be called Postmodern (Godard, Roeg, and some would argue Tarantino) the difference between the two being construction vs destruction.

In visual art there seems extremely little difference between the two with the exception of conceptual art and anti-art being uniquely postmodern.

But again, I'm no scholar on this and looking for opinions.

Oh, this thread again

I will admit I haven't read much explicitly post-modern literature recently, but if it's anything like postmodern art, it's probably shit and only different explicitly for the sake of being different.

>>8770684
I believe you're projecting your own idea of what a novel should be into a classic, and since It's right up there with what you'd like it to be, you dismiss it with pointless arguments.

>>8770812
>It's right
>It's not right

>>8770684
>the whole point of a novel is you can express your ideas through the story.


lel top pleb. i bet you think food's purpose is mouth pleasure too.

>>8770492
I could think of a few writers who come to mind, like Wilde or Wodehouse, but I think our best humor is really on our televisions right now. There's this kind of genre of patheticism we've really nailed, and you can see it shows or movies like Withnail and I, Peep Show, Mighty Boosh, Office, Faulty Towres, In Bruges etc, and I think that's the kind of obvious evolution to our sarcastic culture.

Maybe a better anon could give you suggestions that are actually, well, books.

>>8770531
Thanks for it.

I was thinking about recent stuff, you know, like those rants that british are so famous for.

I had watched the peep show and it was amazing, but, I have just this strange feeling which come up in my mind.

I have to feeling that, there is lots of cool things going aroung England, like, cool journalist writting cool stuff and not so famous writer doing this caustic humor or critic about things, but, since I don't live there, this things will delay like 10 years to came to me.

>>8770584
As someone who grew up in London around a couple of journalists and mid-level "intelligentsia",
I'm afraid that's quite a romanticized image. We're a really classist society, and are very cliquey. For such a small island, you can totally identify someone's entire background, and that, coupled with our extreme self-consciousness, means we act very cliquey, basically hang out in the same groups and, sadly, become narrow minded. So while there are some excellent rants (every drunk Englishman is a depressant) they're very rarely enlightened ones, and in fact, often contain a strong air of snobishness (and this works on both sides of the class divide). Furthermore, our penchant for pessimism means what we do believe in strongly, is quite limited. Really, we've been riding on the coattails of a dead empire for a hundred years now, and our reputation really does just proceed it. My city is a prime example - London has been husked out by the super-rich who have no interest in our culture or city other than it's sheer fashionability, and because of that, it has no real fashion left.

But, if you want our brand of dark humour and sarcasm, with a lot more openness and a focus on morbidity, go to Ireland or the North. Things are less shit there.

And out of interest - what country are you from?

No one is going to bother with some noname's texts, no matter the quality. Unless you're writing some genre crap, in which case Amazon self-publishing (((might))) work, your only option is to get accepted by a publisher.

>>8770423
This.

Nobody knows nor cares who you are, OP. Get off your high horse and go from there.

Not my fiction but a review of the private gardens of the city. The idea is to promote the culture of my city. I believe I never saw anything like this published specifically in this journal. Hell, who the fuck gives about gardens in these days? Should I approach a rich person and sell the idea first then ask him to help pushing the idea?

The entire point of homework is for you to do the fucking work.

Delete your thread.

bump, pls guise

Are you kidding me.

Burn this bread.

Max is everything Neet che wished he was

>>8770395
how much private schoolgirl pUcci did he get

>>8770476
Probably all of it

>>8770261
Gene of course

Scifi > mediocrity > neocon

The one with the vagina.

>>8770247
By first dealing with your depression and anxieties. Once this is solved reading is quite comfy.

YOU EAT PIECES OF SHIT FOR BREAKFAST?

read some houellebecq

always helps me