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The one the manlet in your pic wrote desu

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Hello is this the thread where we talk about non-literary artforms?

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Also Film Art by David Bordwell

Fuck off. What's with all you non-readers and underaged faggots shitting up this board? This used to actually be a good place to discuss literature and get book recommendations.

>>8795078
its christmas soon so expecting ppl to drop by more often to ask something quick and trivial seems quite normal

>>8795070
I read that shit in 5th grade, all i remember is that its message went something like "if u conform u literally kill babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also u need to see more color ;)"

>>8795062

"I want ayn rand but I don't want to read ayn rand"

I don't know man.
Fucking Glenn Beck maybe

>>8795062
by literature do you mean fiction or non-fiction?

there is tons of lib/ancap/w/evs nonfiction to read. austrians, traditionalists, all that. but for fiction after ayn rand your next stop is literally terry goodkind

you don't want to go there bra

>>8795084
Non-fiction pls :^)

>>8794943
It'll help with trivia night and it's a fun light read.

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>>8794943
read this to understand exactly why dickens falls flat

It's Dickens' tackiest and least substantial book, for sure. That doesn't mean you should just drop it. Finishing books, no matter how unengaging they are, is a very useful habit to develop.

Start with the Greeks

>>8794787
>When the sociologists took a group of them to New York City, they couldn't see the skyscrapers.
Going to call bullshit on that

>>8794787
David Foster Wallace - Everything is Green (from Girl With Curious Hair)
A man's young wife looks out their window and sees nature ("Everything is green"), but all the older husband can see is how nature has decayed by the gradual intervention of man.

>>8794606
edward gibbon my crusty old nigga

stay patrician tho. plz post the rest of your classy af reading list with fireplaces, i don't plan on killing myself until tuesday

A collection of Orwell's essays, which are worlds better than his hackish prose

Stoner, always

And of course Gibbon's Decline and Fall if history if your thing

I'm depressed because nobody posted in my shit, shit thread; even after I got double doubles.

>>8794460

Yeah, well, I have really pathetic fantasies about spooning with a girl with fragrant hair. They've completely consumed all my raunchy, depraved sexual fantasies. Literally all I want to do is hold someone warm real close to me, and blabber nonsensical lovey-dovey stuff into their ears.

I am turning into a John Green archetype. It is quite distressing.

I don't think Twilight is bad. I mean it's awful but not any worse than any of the other YA Fiction out there.

>>8794379

Why does he wear the beard?

Lotta loyal students for an ugly pedophile!

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>>8794379

They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother.

>>8794260
Oh just choose any old book, you'll die after long enough either way

>>8794265
> >:(

>>8794260
Alice in Wonderland, yes seriously, think about it

>>8794248
They are genrally good because they are flawed.
If a character is a Gary Stu or a selfinsert with the only flaw of being too good then they end up being flat.
If a character has aproblem that differs with society and is one that he has to work to solve or to try and lvie with he will evolve and overcome in his own way the boulders in his path. Look at Don Quijote, he starts crazy as fuck, fighting the mills and all that but in the end he ha a more pesimistic cyinc way of seeing the world because of his experiences as an almost free man. The same goes for Sancho, he starts shavy and sharp and ends up dellusional and more open to extravagant ideas.

Now that I've answered this thread's questino lets make this a


TOP TIER ANTIHEROES IN LITERATURE.

Is Meursault an antihero? An antivillain?

Rodya did nothing wrong

>>8794151
go away frog

jane austen is pretty conservative anyway

REAL progressives pretend their favorite is kathy acker >:D

OP here, I just realised that you should replace Jane Austen and her books with any woman and their works in any field

good album first of all. i dunno, try 100 years of solitude, the only difficulty comes from many characters sharing the same name, but aside from that it's easy peasy and and amazing novel overall

Did you know he made a second time machines album last year? Balance is long dead but he came up with new material. Crazy right? I haven't listened to it, but if you like Time Machines, idk, listen to it. Maybe you'll like it. Or you've heard it already in that case oh alright

>>8794121

the second one was post humous for coil overall. it got released after sleazy died too. haven't listened to it though i maybe like it though idk.

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>drive into bookstore
>books scattered everywhere
>regrettably no one died

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>>8793866
>Go to the /lit/ section of 4chan
>it's literally nothing but shipposting

>go to local bookstore to support local businesses
>classics section
>the abridged steinbeck
> the portable hemingway
>the readers' digest popular novels collection
>leave

No.

>>8793726
why are these out of order?

>>8793744
so Joyce can be middle

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George Saunders teaches part of the MFA at Syracuse. And I would be absolutely ecstatic to have George Saunders critique my work and share his knowledge in fiction writing with me. He's a great writer. But the other 50 or so people in that class would hear the exact same information and techniques I heard, and those would likely all be funneled into our work somehow. They would hear exactly what I hear. They would complete the same assignments I complete. They would go the same places. See the same people. We would apply, at least to an extent, at least a sizeable amount of the class, those techniques and experiences into our writing. Then we would go on to critique other's work, further passing down these same techniques recommended by what one writer considers to be the right way.

This institution is incubating an incest of ideas, styles, and traditions. The multiple resources these programs offer all subscribe to the same literary dogma that has been in power ever since the ones writing the great novels of the day were the ones teaching students how to write their own books, the first being Nabokov, to my knowledge. Obviously, this will lead to at least a great deal of people who are somewhat similar in their writing styles, motifs, worlds, backgrounds, cultural educational perspective, interests, financial and social situations, ideas, and styles. What this institution has achieved is a society that advertises itself of being accepting of minorities and other disadvantaged groups while simultaneously stripping their students of a great deal of creative power.

Once an artist enters an institution, they become a student. And they willfully subscribe themselves to a single or very small authority figure who has power over how they evaluate their work. Say, for the sake of it, that a student would enroll in the MFA program at Syracuse under George Saunders. Say, also for the sake of it, that this student has independently developed their own style, themes, and skill set from well outside the spectrum of modern literary thought.

>>8793698
Write poetry. It's lessed plagued by these pedagogical problems.

Compare it to what you think would happen if William S Burroughs took a writing course taught by Ernest Hemingway at the time, if Burroughs typed out the final version of The Naked Lunch and turned it in for a big project, what would you think Hemingway would have done? There's a good chance he'd rip Burroughs apart, destroy his self-worth, and force him to choose between failing, not getting his degree, not having that little certificate that makes it so much easier to get published, or simply changing the way he writes. Writers as good as Burroughs can write in a certain style if they have to. Would Burroughs have stuck to his style? or changed it to conform to the literary status quo? Furthermore, what would Burroughs think of himself? He'd look at Hemingway, who won a Nobel and Pulitzer Prize and was one of the foremost American champions in the most exciting period of world literature. They are both legendary writers. But put the two in a power structure, and one will detest and try to "correct" the writing of the other. You think Burroughs could have enough self-confidence to ignore that criticism and keep going with his developed style? Possibly. But possibly not. This situation comes down to one’s ability for risk assessment and their priorities in regards to writing.

But that's another thing I haven't seen considered yet. The last 50 years have fostered an attitude of dependency in those raised under helicopter parenting. We're taught to compromise, to tread carefully, and, more than anything, we're told not to upset anyone. We're a generation of people pleasers. We find our role models, and we work towards something they could approve of. Our biggest fear is falling short of what's expected of us. This goes beyond the natural yearning for social acceptance. We’ve been intimidated with tales of poverty and failure and every year more and more of us live at home past twenty-five. We were raised with so much optimism and self-worth that we can't handle it when shit goes bad, at least a lot of us can’t. I heard my 27-year-old TA talking about how he steals sneaks food when he visits his parents, like he’s still an undergrad whose meal plan runs out half way through the week.

What aspect do we see in great writers? Robert Walser ran away from home at fifteen and ended up being what was arguably the biggest influence of Kafka and Hesse. Sherwood Anderson left his wife and children to pursue a career in writing. William Faulkner took the best education anyone in his family had ever had and left it behind to work menial jobs for 20 years before he could make a living off writing. James Joyce left his home country in which he based everything he ever wrote because he was convinced he was a genius and nobody in Ireland country would ever publish him without forcing him to sacrifice his artistic integrity.