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>>8868838
your a pleb

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>>8868838
>That Dostoevsky's debt to Edgar Allan Poe for Crime and Punishment is the least bit controversial shows how shallow literary research has become.

>The only directors, stage or film, who actually studied Hamlet before staging it, all wrong, were Zefferelli, who got it all right, and with Mel Gibson no less, and Gielgud.

>There are approximately three living humans who remotely understand Infinite Jest

>The career of Thomas Wolfe is largely due to, and a documentary proof that, men with unusually large penises are not off the hook, as far as self-doubt and crippling existential depression are concerned.

>There will never be another Maxwell Perkins.

>Meirnik Dossier and Tears of Autmn are among the best American literature ever published, and McCarry is a genius lost on his own country.

>Whatever you think of Hemmmingway, and the fact is the Nick Adams stories are his only accomplishment, bullfighting is fucking cool.

>>8869355
Some very reddit opinions you got there bud

Your second point is poorly formulated

Dude just fucking don't. It's really a piece of shit book designed to troll it's readers. I mean, Joyce himself that the best way to ensure your immortality is to keep scholars guessing about what you meant for years to come. He wrote that fucking thing in several different languages, and basically made up words, so that what he's saying is a vague stream of consciousness mind fuck. Nothing about that book can be comprehended by any of the readers on lit, nor should it be attempted to, unless you're like the most fantastic scholar in all of the world. Because otherwise you'd just be wasting your time.

>>8868819
Finnegan's Wake is all the difficulty of Ulysses but amped up to 11 and without any of the engrossing subtext. No one really reads it, they """read""" it. For example, I """read""" it, purely for the sake of telling other people I read it, and got nothing from the experience because it's obscurant to the nth degree, as that was Joyce's purpose.

If you want something challenging that you have to sink your teeth into, read Ulysses. FW is just a mess.

why is finnegans wake a cube

>>8868682

Alex Jones is an idiot saying nonsense to sell survival shit to paranoid retards and boner pills for fatasses that can't get it up thanks to low testosterone.

Orwell would punch Jones in the throat until he died from it for being so fucking stupid.

>>8868682
I want to read his follow-up to 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction' and see what he makes of the internet in regards to his philosophy

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>>8868715
forgot pic

>>8868641
you could probably find self-help books if you want to rid yourself of some specific vice, but more to the point, if you want to actually transform yourself you will need more comprehensive help, which can only be gotten through dedicated study.

so the answer is that the problem probably is not with your eating disorder but that the eating disorder is an expression of a problem that lies with your perception and understanding of the world.

i'd recommend the bhagavad-gita, which is a challenging work, but if you read it carefully it can help you.

If you have not read too much, two rather easy-to-read books that might help you are Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse.

Meditations was written by a Roman emperor in his downtime. It's considered a good example of stoicism, but it was written as something like a diary for Marcus. People criticize it on /lit/ for not being rigorous philosophy, but it wasn't intended to be such, or even to be read at all.

Siddhartha is an exploration of a man who goes on a journey trying to find fulfillment in his life. It's told in the style of a long parable with very plain prose. Hermann Hesse was a German with lots of interest in Eastern religions, and his works try to reconcile this with his own culture.

Υοu must change your life by Peter Sloterdijk.

Your flaw is the trigger for your self-conquest.

Better than BotNS desu

they need to make a Space Station 13 version of Gormenghast

I'm up to the point where the duke is talking to his medicine man about his son.

The wording confused me.

Is he really fucking ugly or are his eyes just purple?

>>8868607
Read Civilisation and Its Discontents. It's one of his most widely read and, in my opinion, comprehensive works. Even if you don't pursue a finer understanding of Freud's thought, it basically distils the important parts.

My opinion on psychoanalysis is that its a perfectly cohesive framework through which you can view the world around you and explain why people do what they do, but it shouldn't be taken as a concrete science, if you go by Karl Popper's theory of falsification

>>8868607
Freud has been consistently misunderstood, remember that if he had nothing to say he wouldn't be so violently hated. He's absolutely essential not even just for literature but for the entirety of civilization.

>>8868607
"Scientific" Psychology is fundamentally bullshit, you should believe pretty much the opposite of whatever it says

Plato -- all works
Aristotle -- ethics, metaphysics
Meditations -- Marcus Aurelius
Holy Bible
Chronicles of Narnia --C.S. Lewis

Just read religious literature and some entry level philosophy (higher stuff is depressing and pretty autistic). But in the end anything you read is going to be vain self-help. You need to fundamentally rethink your life and meditate on why you're unhappy.

Look, kid (and you are a kid) the fact is that whatever idealogical anchor you choose to weigh you down and stop you sailing adrift from the shore of society will be one which serves to do one thing: keep you alive. Everything is subjective, it's just a matter of deciding whose subjective opinion you intend to value most. Chances are it will be the vaguely paternal figure who is always lurking just outside your peripheral vision. You're going to spend decades working 9-5, probably longer, at some job that you will either convince yourself that you enjoy or which you will hate travelling to each morning. Either way this job will wear you down, undermine your capacity to stay true to your instincts and principles, and leave you at best a smiling, peppy, functional cog in the system. There is no "meaning" in life. We're a species possessing self-awareness and the abilities allowed by that particular evolutionary quirk. Since most of us don't enjoy living like other animals we have constructed over time urban areas whose maintenance alone requires most citizens to sacrifice the majority of their day for it sake. As an innately discontented species always tapping our toes to improve things (or, rather, "improve") the system has grown and proliferated so intensely that the only happiness that you, as an obscure, anonymous member will find is by leaning to appreciate the system, allow your will to be shaped so that it meets the demands of the system, channel your brutish impulse to mate into a marriage, find validation in the desire to be masculine by raising children and being the head of your family, and praise forevermore the virtues of convenience, comfort, consensus and optimism.

>>8868612

Thanks, Anon. I'll have a look at Aurelius' works.

my god, never seen a man get meme'd so hard

you spend way too much time on this board, anon

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I'm not sure that the book writing the author makes sense because the book isn't actually sentient.
If you write enough it's possible that your subconscious ideas about the characters and their behaviours will take over and start doing things that the conscious mind didn't plan or expect.

I'm pretty sure Umberto Eco said somewhere that "le characters act on their own" writers are utter retards

I kind of know what you mean though. Did I fight the tiger with the knife? Or did the tiger fight me with the knife?

>>8868429
>atheism
yes, yes you did

>>8868429
>He thinks he has to read chapters in order.
Skip right to the meme chapter.

>>8868444
Birth of the meme is like 5-6 pages in this chapter.

>>8868407
Çakıcı'nın İlk Kurşunu

Hard to say really but probably A Portrait of The Artist as a Young Man.

Prose seemed dull to me.
The ending is shit because the main character is a bit of a miserable shit. He's making a really edgy observation and that'd be fine if there was any deeper thought put into it but he just sort of chimps and out and storms off without reaching a gratifying conclusion. That might have been the point but I'm too autistic to tell.

The writing itself is fine. Go write something in the same genre with a mary sue main character and you'll make some money.

i don't get the ending at all. what happened?

also, is the shitty, loose grammar deliberate characterisation? it seems strange put together with his wide vocabulary, unless it's meant to convey that he's a lazy, messed up dude with a lot of weird knowledge from wandering.

>>8868453

OP here, thanks for reading.

I don't dig how the writing can be fine when the prose is dull. Would be great if you could elaborate on that.

>>8868472
Well, he found a couple of survivors who just kept living like before. They still work, they still got money and choose routine over freedom.

About the grammar: I'm not a native English speaker, so that might have to do with that. I wanted to express that he's basically a bum without any motivation, but then slowly changes into someone who might actually know what to do with his life. What exactly would you change?

Thanks for reading to you, too.

>>8868329
I read Gardens of the Moon and was lost for most of the story. There were references to things that (from what I understand now) show up in much later books.

The discussions I've read on /lit/ make it sound like you have to read the entire series at least twice in order to understand everything.

>>8868329
>but i dont ever see it discussed here
Then lurk more newfag
Also stay in your containment thread >>>/lit/sffg

>>8868329
Judging by the covers, no. Definitely time that could be better spent.

>>8868202
That part in the Odyssey where Nausicaa and her friends sexy-bathe in the river together

Almost all of lolita

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>>8868202
The Medusa v the Odalisque