Are there any arguments against Ivan's position other than "you will never be happy or find salvation?" I might just be being edgy, but to me, this doesn't seem like sufficient justification: it seems more like acceptance of faith for one's own selfish reasons, one's own happiness. How can you resolve the issue of the injustice of the world and accept your own happiness?
>>8876204
a-anyone?
>>8876238
/lit/ is a slow board.
>How can you resolve the issue of the injustice of the world and accept your own happiness?
What do you mean with that ?
>>8876204
>to me, this doesn't seem like sufficient justification: it seems more like acceptance of faith for one's own selfish reasons, one's own happiness.
This looks like a terminal case of spooks.
King Latinus is a confusing character to me. He trusts fate so blindly (even though he's right to) which seems to be an odd trait seeing that he's presented as such a positive character. What is his appeal to Augustus? Was Virgil trying to say that a king can go against the will of his people if he believes he's making the right decision and still be a good king? Still, this seems strange. It makes sense for Latinus to think his people are overreacting when the stag is killed, but even when Aeneas is actively killing the Italians and allying with their sworn enemies, he's still on Aeneas' side. What do you think Virgil wanted Augustus to think of him?
>>8876129
>implying the people know a damn thing
>>8876129
What makes you think that Virgil -was- actually trying to suck Augustus's dick in regards to everything in the poem? Why can't Latinus be an ambiguous, flawed human bound by circumstances, history, the will and force of the gods, like everyone else is?
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20162871
>>8876172
/pol/ needs to leave
>>8876187
But that's the thing, Latinus isn't flawed or ambiguous. If everyone would've listened to him, there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. That's what's weird about him
there's too much boring pessimism on here right now.
lets get /lit/ about our favorite christmas treats.
for me, nothing says christmas like the tree-shaped reese's. everyone knows they're objectively better than the normal reese's (we're going to ignore the easter egg one for now, but it has something of a case also), and i refuse to believe it's anything but the power of faith and christmas spirit that elevates this treat into the sublime.
>>8876062
For me it's Eggnog. Reminds me of my grandma's rustic, old house in the middle of nowhere, filled with clutter, smelling vaguely of her Pomeranian they do called "Dumb dumb". I still don't know if that was the dogs "real" name, actually.
We also used to do some kind of punch, with ginger ale and sherbet. Not traditionally Christmas-y, but I dig it.
>>8876426
*that she called
Speaking of hitting the eggnog. . .
Curious what others think of this.
Possibly people who could analyze it a bit further and deeper than myself. I have a habit of taking things for face value
there's nothing but face value here. "words we would like to be" is a terrible phrase.
How is this poetry, again? Remove the needless line breaks and it reads like prose. There's no meter, rhyme, imagery, or use of a metaphor. It's also written like a "deep" facebook slogan
Honestly, its not totally fair for me to judge yet because I'm not done yet, but this book is actually amazing. I love how everything, even this doodle in the beginning, connects to the greater whole. Again I'm not done yet, but I could easily see this becoming my favorite book of all time.
>Only thing that comes close so far to 2666
>>8875891
I hope they release a mass market paperback edition. The hardcover is about twice as large as it needs to be
>>8875891
Congratulations. You have been immersed so far into the meme culture that you have become part of it. You have learned the language through osmosis, have assimilated the customary behavior and have learned and become first an honory citizen and then a real one. You have set foot in the river of memes, and have dissolved into its waters. You have climbed to the peak of the mountain of memes, where you can feel the cold, memey air on your cheeks, and where you can see the meme-flags of great memers whose steps you have just retraced. You are a meme amongst memers, a veritable meme-lord, a maestro of memes. You are a fucking meme.
>>8875903
I think any book that becomes popular on this board becomes a meme though, this book became a meme before it was even out. The original meme trilogy was Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, and Infinite Jest. I hated all of those because they are pedantic and overall trite when they actually tried to make a point. 2666, despite being part of the new meme wave, was actually a beautiful text. It's okay to have opinions that agree with the whole sometimes, just like it's okay to disagree. I would be lying if I didn't say that Jerusalem had some of the most beautiful prose and wittiest writing that I have ever read.
>بكره في المشمش
I have the New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha and I'm mostly interested in famous stories, myths and books that are a good read. I pay attention to the introductory essays and notes, but I don't really care what should I do when I have a certain disease or things like that, as this is mainly a reading for cultural and literary reasons.
I'm about to finish the Pentateuch and found the last three to be a bit of a drag compared to the first two, but I understand this is the backbone of the OT.
So, what are the books worth reading? I don't care if there are a lot of them.
>>8875778
Moses' books are notoriously dry, most don't make it through Deuteronomy.
OT is mostly Bible stories, poetry, aphoristic wisdom, and prophecy
if you want to just skip around:
>Ecclesiastes
>Job
>Isaiah(read before gospels)
>Gospels(Matt, Mark, Luke, John)
>Corinthians
>Revelations
that should get the ball rolling
Might as well just read a fairy tale
>>8876233
edgy teenage atheists pls go
For a book which you do not read for prose (for example, books on philosophy or sometimes, translations of certain books, or Russian authors like Dostoevsky) what stops one from reading one or two good summaries of the book instead of the book itself?
Consider that, after you've read a 500 pg novel (which again, you did not read for prose) you will forget about 80-90% of what you've read within the year (if you don't review it). What you'll end up remembering will, in the end, be equivalent to a summary.
Assuming we aren't shallow, the point of reading such books isn't just to maintain some kind of appearance but to struggle with and understand the ideas laid out and through this process better oneself.
Is this really so impossible to do reading only a few summaries (and in addition, let's say reading a few critical essays on the book)?
So, in your mind, if an author's prose isn't beautiful, then reading a plot summary of their 500-page novel is no less impoverished than reading the novel itself.
>the point of reading such books isn't just to maintain some kind of appearance but to struggle with and understand the ideas laid out and through this process better oneself.
Call me shallow, I read because it's fun, and therefore reading a plot summary of a novel is no substitute for reading the novel.
>>8875765
It's a thought that occurred to me, I'm not wholly convinced by it but I wanted to discuss it and see some arguments for (or as well more likely be the case) against it.
>>8875767
I don't think reading for fun is shallow. Shallowness comes from doing something for sake of appearance. Not for private personal enjoyment (which I should have included with self-betterment).
>if you want to be a successful writer just retell The Odyssey in another setting
Y/N?
>>8875571
what setting?
>>8875580
inside of mark zuckerberg's anus
>>8875580
an imageboard setting
Really makes ya think, don't it?
Get inside Richard Dawkin's 'Inner Circle' by paying a few thousand dollars every year!
>>8875498
That is probably alot of money
>>8875511
Really makes a lot of sense why he'd want to hide it, these charlatans really don't like being criticised
Ὦ ἱερεῦ Χρύση, βασιληΐη Μυkηναίη εἰμί.
Γαμήσου, σουτζουkάkια.
>>8875505
Το kεφάλι σας είναι γεμάτο με νερό.
Anyone here read "Their Eyes Were Watching God" by Zora Neale Hurston? I read it in class last month and it was... interesting. Interesting story and I sympathized when the protagonist, even if the Ebonics were indecipherable to my pasty white ass.
>>8875487
Eh. Like most 'black' literature, I think most of its popularity is a result of it being politically hot right now.
Ton Morrison, especially I think made it because she was black rather than by virtue of being a good writer.
There are excellent non-western writers, even in translation (Arab, turkish, or even Japanese writers like soeseki come to mind). But African American literature tends to be non-stop 'woe is me' and poorly written at that.
>>8875492
>Ton Morrison, especially I think made it because she was black rather than by virtue of being a good writer.
Song of Solomon is legitmately, unironically good and I'm a white cis male who is proud of it.
Invisible Man is also great.
>>8875492
>I think most of its popularity is a result of it being politically hot right now.
In other words, they say something relevant? What's wrong with that?
What's the best translation of Meditations?
If you don't read it in the original italian you should kys asap
>>8875392
>italian
Um.
Some people like Hays but boy that book sure looks like SHIT
That's why you will cop the Patrician's Library edition asap
Post favorite /lit/ villains
>pic may or may not be related
>>8875347
the one enemy that remained. or God, if you count him
Me, in my diary desu
Does /lit/ buy physical books or go to the library? Or do you buy e-books or illegally download them?
I'd prefer the first, but I don't have the physical space or money for all the books I want, so I usually just check out books from the library. Sometimes I illegally download pdfs of shorter, non-fiction stuff if the library doesn't have it.
>>8875290
I pretty much just make do with pdfs, if I can't find a book online I'll go to the library.
The only time I buy books is if they're in a different language and I can't find them online or in library, so I order them.
Or if it's a book I really love and have read many times and will read many times more.
What I think I ought to do aside, what I actually do is tend to buy aspirational books - thick novels and histories - and take books I'm ready to read immediately out of the library. So I've read a bunch of books, but all from the library, and I'm in my bedroom, lying on my bed, surrounded by great thick novels I haven't read.
>>8875303
I would use pdfs more, but it's difficult for me to read on screens. It hurts my eyes (though that's probably because I spend all day on 4chan). Is the link in the sticky the best place to find of books?
I have someone in my life who eerily reminds me of Socrates. I've brought it up with him, too, in our discussions. I've said, look, motherfucker, sometimes when we talk I can picture you as Socrates, and me, as your Plato, who will, later when I've gained wisdom will write about these talks.
But in actuality I backtrack and say (because he has never read Plato or any literature outside of entry-level stuff maybe), "Hey, can I tell you something?"
"Hell yes, you can tell me something. God, I hope I can at least have that."
And then I'll go on to explain to him, and then he'll be amazed and say he's thought about me writing about him later. He said maybe I'll change his words, or put my own thought into it, and I said: that's what Plato did.
Without getting into the specifics of what we talk about (God and the idea of a god, twos, life, the metaphysical), I just want to know this: has anyone else had this person in their life? Should I write about this? Fuck.
Or maybe I should glance the first reply to this post, which reads: "jesus christ this isn't your blog, your diary desu," and then flip the script and turn the entire idea into something postmodern, involving anxiety, self-consciousness, and addiction, titling it something hopefully better than "Suckrates."
>>8875227
>https:/blogpost.suckrat.es/OP_has_his_first_inklings_he_might_in_fact_suck_cock.html
Homosex is OK anon. It's 2016.
>>8875227
This is really beautiful. You should write about it. You've already expressed it very sensitively and wonderfully here.
Good luck, anon :)