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Any books on the ethical questions surrounding prostitution?
I fucked a whore and want to find out if that makes me a degenerate
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dude spook lmao
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The Sailor who fell from grace with the Sea
Snow Country
Notes from Underground
Crime and Punishment
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>>9943198
Good news! 'Degeneracy' is not a real thing!

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>mentions bill gates and harry potter in the introduction
fuckinnnn dropped
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>Author has a female name
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I got a few pages into notes from underground and then remembered what my therapist said about toxic people. Noped the fuck out of there.
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>>9942729
Kill yourself

Anyone read this?

Once you get used to the pretentious faux 17th century Writing and skim through the middle of the book, it is really unique in its setting. The finale , in my minds eye was one of the most emotional and left a lasting impression. Introduces themes like arcologies, entropy, cosmic horror and post-post-post apocalyptic futures. It was published in 1912.

http://fiction.eserver.org/novels/nightland/

The original novel for free on a website.
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I think it's interesting if you like post apocalyptic settings. The sun (every star in the galaxy) is dead. Earth is tidally locked, all remaining life sits in a 100 mile deep chasm where the atmosphere hasn't been stripped away and liquid water still exists and the last of humanity is waiting its ultimate destruction when its geothermal power runs cold and it is destroyrd from eldrich horrors that surround them.

Its neat. Entropy and cosmic horror and a questing knight story.
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The first third is really great, then he goes outside and it becomes repetitive shit
The whole eating and sleeping routine gets boring pretty fast and around the same time the worldbuilding slows down
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>>9942671
The ending was amazing.
>Spend all book being terrified of these monsters
>Future Chainaxe Beowulf fucking slaughters a hundred of them to get his waifu to safety

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Some of you may not be aware that Tolsstoy thought that Shakespeare was an awful writer, and he wrote a long essay criticizing his plays, read it here

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27726/27726-h/27726-h.htm

I find this really fascinating, because what he says here mirrors a lot of what I thought about Shakespeare but was unable to really express. It's hard to get immersed into Shakespeare's plays because the events often are so unrealistic and the characters do talk so unrealistically. The fact that Lear never recognizes Kent in the disguise, for instance, just seems impossible and takes you out of the play. Some quotes I like:

>This is asserted with such confidence and repeated by all as indisputable truth; but however much I endeavored to find confirmation of this in Shakespeare's dramas, I always[53] found the opposite. In reading any of Shakespeare's dramas whatever, I was, from the very first, instantly convinced that he was lacking in the most important, if not the only, means of portraying characters: individuality of language, i.e., the style of speech of every person being natural to his character. This is absent from Shakespeare. All his characters speak, not their own, but always one and the same Shakespearian, pretentious, and unnatural language, in which not only they could not speak, but in which no living man ever has spoken or does speak.

>In Shakespeare everything is exaggerated: the actions are exaggerated, so are their consequences, the speeches of the characters are exaggerated, and therefore at every step the possibility of artistic impression is interfered with. Whatever people may say, however they may be enraptured by Shakespeare's works, whatever merits they may attribute to them, it is perfectly certain that he was not an artist and that his works are not artistic productions. Without the sense of measure, there never was nor can be an artist, as without the feeling of rhythm there can not be a musician. Shakespeare might have been whatever you like, but he was not an artist.
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http://orwell.ru/library/essays/lear/english/e_ltf

"Lear, Tolstoy, and the Fool"; George Orwell
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>>9942545
It depends what you expect from literature.
Shakespeare characters are nothing incredible. Tolstoy is right, there is little specificity to the characters (admittedly it was made for the theater and not for bedtime reading so most of the characterization could be pushed on the actor).
I was never bugged out by the melodramatic behavior in the plays though.

Shakespeare poetry > Shakespeare plays by the way.
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He was right that Homer is better. But that doesn't justify the hate.

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ITT books women will never understand
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stop making these threads
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>>9942221
Triggered feminazi alert
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>>9942221
No kidding. As if women can't be just as intellectual, complex or nuanced in their thinking as me. Find a home on /pol/

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Can someone give me a quick rundown on him?
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>>9941364
Why? Most plebs can't even understand something as simple as the body without organs, the assemblage or pluralism.

Start with Nietzsche and Philosophy as a prerequisite to reading any Deleuze at all and then pick your path.
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>>9941378
>Nietzsche and Philosophy
already read that and i was pretty disappointed

What is Deleuze´ System?
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>>9941390
Did you read Michael Hardt's intro to it? He is kinda right that Deleuze finds his foundations there. The Will to Power, Plurality of the Will (aka plurality of Forces) and others are part of that basis. Maybe continue with his book on Proust? Just keep in mind that it was updated several times during Deleuze's career so the concepts and problems differ from one chapter to another.

If you want the meat of things jump into Anti-Oedipus and then A Thousand Plateaus. They are easier choices than Difference&Repetition, but you may have some difficulties if you don't know a bit of Lacanian paychoanalysis (even though that is what they are criticizing).

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Very rarely do you get the question and the answer on the cover of a book..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trSlNXrTE90
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>>9941185
kek
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>>9941185
I almost called her an unlikable, compulsive liar, but I remembered there are large swaths of people that like her because she has a vagina and isn't Donald Trump.
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What do you think he's reading?

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Can someone give me a quick rundown on this guy?
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/
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>>9941076
He defers all philosophical problems to problems regarding language and how people place different meanings on certain words and how it eventually becomes a game of abstractions that negate any understanding of real truth. He's a turbo autist.
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>>9941354
>He's a turbo autist.
His family is literally The Munsters except they're all autistic instead of monsters.

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Since the thread I originally posted in was deleted, I thought I might as well give this a try. This chart is supposed to contain works that provide the foundation of current progressive discourses or those that progressives currently engage with.

So what do you think about it so far? Any recommendations to add/ remove? Should the title be changed to something else? Will that one guy tell me to add The Culture of Critique? How can this be improved?
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>>9940392
Every conservative should read at least a few of those tittles. The world would be a lot better.
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>Progressive
>shit from 1955
>shit no current progressive read
wtf are you doing?
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lots of pop literature trash in that chart
is this some kind of falseflag?

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Read/expected/got bread:
Don't it take it seriously edition.
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i don't have any but bump
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>>9940196
Just made this

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>Be me
>reading beowulf
>think to myself
>why would a evil sea monster keep the only thing that can kill it, in it's house
>wonder why people enjoyed stories like this
>mfw logic wasn't inverted until modern day
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>>9940018
>why would a evil sea monster keep the only thing that can kill it, in it's house

So no one else can get to it you dolt.
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>Beowulf can be killed by a sword
>carries a sword around with him

The only explanation is that premodern people were retarded.
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>>9940018
Beowulf is so good. When I realized the dragon's treasure was his blood-price I felt like one of those mind-explosion memes.

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>tfw a girl sits next to you on the train and asks what you're reading
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>be me
>who else would I be
>sitting on train
>Arubian princess walks up to me
>"what book are you reading?"
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>tfw no one ever sits next to you anywhere and asks what you're reading
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>>9939072
>be me
>reading nietzsche
>got a whip in my suitcase, too

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>main character is a writer
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>main writer is a character
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>main character hates books and literature

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Let me see those opening paragraphs.
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"Hm, hm, hm~" Minami Kotori, a fashion enthusiast and costume designer of her school's idol group, Muse, hummed a tune as she created new clothes from strings and needles.

Lifting a completed police themed up in the air in front of her for viewing, the ash-brunette lets out a satisfied sigh.

"Ah~ I hope Honoka-chan likes this~ hehe~"

The designer giggled to herself as she placed another set of costume she had finished sewing together.
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>>9936408
Dude. I'm so fucking high.
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"Look up in the air", murmured Susan as she gestured skyward. "Woah", replied John, "is that a UFO?"
"Hmm yeah I heard reports of unidentified flying objects on the shortwave radio so I've been keeping one eye out for them" said Susan.
"Well, fuck", John responded. "Best we kept our heads on straight I have a feeling this crazy day is only getting started."
Little did Susan know just how prescient Johns prophecy would turn out to be.

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Writing feedback thread? Post your stuff, give constructive critique or tear it a new one whatever.

I'll post mine in the next post.
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It's way too late for this, I have important things to do tomorrow. I'm a busy guy with a life to maintain, not some slave to desire. I ought to be responsible, that's my imperative, my mission.
My eyes strain looking at the screen, half-comatose. One more... It's only sleep, it's just in my mind anyways. How is counting clickbait articles any different from sheep? Instead of hopping the fence, they leap over logic. Ha HA! I amuse myself, this is the side of me I need to reveal to more people. Then I would be incredibly famous, that would show them.
10 Ways Millennials are Ruining Novels. You won't believe Number 8!
Will I seriously not believe it? I'm anticipating some earth-shattering revelation to be perfectly honest senpai. The sea of exhaustion has subsided into an ocean of kneejerk reactionism. Emphasis on the jerk, but not the fun kind of jerk that I would be usually be doing around this hour.
Scanning intently at this filth I forcefully breathe through my nose to air out the grievance to which only I can acknowledge.
Number 1. Prose is dead!
Number 2.The Young Adult Bildungsroman reigns supreme!
Number 3. Page turning culture!
Number 4. They aren't buying Books!
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Stop, stop, stop. I'm not getting to number 8, it's too painful, it's too much!
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- I get public transport all the time, and I've noticed that these young people "Milennials" are always on their phones! They're not getting stuck into a good book like the old days. My grandson never talks to me anymore... :( Likes: 4 Reply to this comment?
Yes I shall and with a burning desire for vengeance. My fingers are already doing the work, tapping away in a frenzied mania, this is it, my magnum opus.
- Shut up you old cunt! Maybe if you weren't so fucking boring your grandson would talk to you!!!! Some of us don't have time for your boring old boomer ways! I have a life to maintain and you aren't part of it. It's called life in the fast lane grandma and it's accelerating, you on the other hand are crawling towards the grave. Likes: You liked this comment
My work here is done, I close my trusty laptop (It's a Mac by the way) and the bright blue light encompassing the room is replaced with blackness. Now I can rest peacefully alone knowing that I said what needed to be said. I've always prided myself on that ability, I'm relentlessly honest, a free spirit, a real provocateur. Rummaging through my blinds I can see some light peering through the clouds, It must be close to morning. If I'm lucky I might be able to squeeze a couple of hours of sleep out of this dry sponge of night. Good grief. I lie still, eyes closed staring at the back of my eyelids. Nothing. This continues for about two hours.
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>>9935728
I open my eyes and find myself engulfed in a syrupy haze, thick and viscous. A little caffeine will do me good this morning I reckon, it'll get me through this upcoming drive, the same drive I've been making for 5 years now, I will clear this haze and ignite the day. The window is cracked open and through my blinds the sun seeps in. The heats continues to pour down on me like a glaze. Where's that drink? I left a 500 mL can of V (tm) The Energy Hit That Improves You a Bit! (tm). Bought for $3.50 on sale at 7 Eleven yesterday. What a bargain! There it is, right where I left it. The fridge hums and glows as the can sits there majestically like an idol, ready to be taken and drank. The nectar of the Gods.
*Crack psssh* The sound rings in my ear, I've heard it so many times. Orgasmic. The bubbles ignite my tongue, jumping around as I swill the liquid around my gullet. The doctor tells me to stop, 'heart rate this', 'blood sugar that'. What does he know? I need this to survive, without it I'm just living. A fate worse than death, or at least about the same. My heart starts pumping faster, an uncomfortable but necessary feeling as I jolt to attention. Caffeine used to work so much better, it's more of a dull jolt nowadays like an old car starting up. My doctor did mention that heart disease is the most deadly. People seem to think that the heart is a symbol of love and compassion but that's the thing they don't tell you about them, they will attack you at a moment's notice. It will seize you in your sleep without mercy.
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How old is the protag? He's drinking energy drinks and making snarky entries in comment sections and yet he has a doctor warning him about heart disease. Do millennials go for regular physicals? Also, I would watch the metaphor follow-throughs; '... as the can sits there majestically like an idol, ready to be taken and drank. The nectar of the Gods.' Are idols meant to be taken down and drank? A comma after majestically might improve it. Otherwise, a compelling read, good descriptors of modernity.

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