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I'm reading "Existentialism is an humanism" by Sartre and I'm somewhat confused by some parts.

First, I didn't understand why if a man desires freedom for himself, he must desire freedom for others. It's pretty confusing.

Second, he says that if a man doesn't feel despair when he realizes that when he makes a choice for himself, he's defining all men in the world, he's acting in bad faith. No arguments used at all.

Could someone explain it to me?
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>>8902274

2nd question answers the first. your actions, thoughts, beliefs, morals, etc, all those things you use to define yourself, are, by being yours, extended to all of humanity. you are man, you define what it means to be man. welcome to existential authority.

if you seek freedom, youre implicitly stating all humanity ought to seek freedom, otherwise you wouldnt be seeking freedom. if you feel only you are worthy of seeking freedom you need to reevaluate your value system because newsflash kiddo youre not worth one iota more than any other.

when you fully realize that your choices, by making them, are statements demanding the rest of humanity follow you, you feel despair at having the entire weight of past present and future lives of man looking at you for guidance and direction. sounds a little overwhelming and perhaps despair inducing no?

if this responsibility is insufficient to elicit a despairing response youre more oppressed than you think anon.
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>philosopher that places a high regard for personal freedom
>is a godless commie
What did Sartre mean by this?
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>>8902332
Only in communism can you be truly free

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Hey /lit/, I just found this neat-looking book at my grandma's house. What should I expect?
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>>8902129
Holy shit you'll trigger a lot of redpillers with this pic xD

Can't wait to see how many you catch!
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Bible 2: the bibleing
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>>8902146
More like:
Bible: The Reboot

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ITT: Favorite words

>Bodacious
>Shamrock
>Swoop
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>Obongo
>'Za instead of Pizza
>Boipucci
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I had a dog named shamrock
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>>8902072
That's pretty cool

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So, I decided to relax a little, have a beer and read Elliot Rodger's infamous Manifesto. I was already browsing 4chan at the time of the shooting and saw the whole site catch fire, but I was not thrilled to go after the manifesto and read it.

Now, however, I have been reading the material and I am simply astonished at how artificial it is, it is simply too perfect, to much like the text that one would write if one would pretend to be an autistic beta-male; is something that resembles a material that someone from 4chan would do for the sake of trolling. It's unbelievable. I wonder if the text I am reading is really the correct text, because it does not seem to be true

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1173808-elliot-rodger-manifesto.html

this cant be the real thing
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>>8902009
It's real
ER was that kid who killed himself for attention in seventh grade except he was like 22 or something and killed six other people
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>>8902009
This guy is too perfect!

Am I right, ladies?
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>>8902009
could've saved a handful of lives if he just downloaded tinder like every other weeb

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Will we get another ballin' book from madman McCarthy? Or did the crappy "Counselor" crush his confidence?

We are currently in the longest gap between McCarthy novels ever. 10 years, man.
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Every one of his books is just

>descriptions of dusty mexican plateau
>eating copious amount of beans in between riding endlessly
>spitting everywhere
>every 200 pages an elderly wise character gives a 3 page monologue about some weird thing and the protagonist goes "ok"
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>>8901946
because that's what it was like, don't you understand, you mad man
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>>8901946
So you've only read the Border Trilogy?

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Is it just me or is this book bad
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he didn't win the Pulitzer, so it's probably bad
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It's YA what do you expect
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It's just mediocre. I can see people really enjoying, though.

I'm a Japanese guy in Hong Kong writing a novel in English. When I finish it, should I contact agents in the US or the UK? Does long-distance querying even work? There seem to be no agent for literature written in English in Hong Kong.
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>>8901837
US may work, publishing here is big into affirmative action.
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>>8901841
Most US agents seem to prefer email submissions. Does that mean I can simply email them? Will they ditch me if they realize I live on the other side of the Pacific?
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>>8901841
>publishing here is big into affirmative action.
fuck off /pol/

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Do you agree, /lit/?
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>>8901599
I am redpilled, so you can imagine what I think about women.
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i saw this movie in highschool and thought it was the worst movie ever, completely out of touch with reality. it was surreal - unthinkable - to me how any teenager could care about poetry let alone make a secret club for reading it.

maybe the movie would make more sense to me today.
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I don't think I've ever met a woman who was impressed by anyone's vocabulary

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2017 is 2 days away.

Have you created a list of books you're going to read for 2017?

Here's mine:
>January - The Iliad
>February - East of Eden
>March - The Adventures of Hucleberry Finn
>April - A Farewll to Arms
>May - Wuthering Heights
>June - War & Peace
>July - The Divine Comedy
>August - Moby Dick
>September - The Odyssey
>October - Crime & Punishment
>November - The Brothers Karamazov
>December - Infinite Jest

What's yours?
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>>8901454
Mines loose and subject to change
>The Waves, Woolf
>The Door, Szabo
>The Last Interview with James Baldwin
>Gass
>Tolstoy
>Silas Marner
>Fathers and Sons
>Light in August/Absalom
>Dostoyevsky's short stuff
>Butcher's Crossing, Williams
>Silence, Endo
>The Nigger of the Narcissus, Conrad
>Chekhov
>various nyrb's
>Bible
>Wise Blood, O'Connor
>Ulysses
maybe finish Borges' complete fiction. Maybe Kafka too.
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>>8901454

I read mostly classics this year so in 2017 I am going to catch up on a lot of pleb fantasy shit that I want to read.

But there are a few classics I want to read in 2017:

The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Victor Hugo
A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
Great Expectations by Charles Dickens
In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust

Fantasy pleb shit I want to read:
The Summer Tree by Guy Gavriel Kay
The Wandering Fire by Guy Gavriel Kay
The Darkest Road by Guy Gavriel Kay
Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay
Perdido Street Station by China Mieville
The Scar by China Mieville
Iron Council by China Mieville
Un Lun Dun by China Mieville
The City & the City by China Mieville
Kraken by China Mieville
Embassytown by China Mieville
The Armageddon Rag by George R.R. Martin
A Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin
A Clash of Kings by George R.R. Martin
A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin
A Feast for Crows by George R.R. Martin
A Dance with Dragons by George R.R. Martin
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>>8901454
>January - Ulysses
>February - Ulysses
>March - Ulysses
>April - Ulysses
>May - Ulysses
>June - Ulysses
>July - Ulysses
>August - Ulysses
>September - Ulysses
>October - Ulysses
>November - Ulysses
>December - Finnegan's Wake

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So when does the fun part start?
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read something else, stupid memephagous
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>>8901400
The last page or two.
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>>8901400
It doesn't. It's the ordinary life of an ordinary dude and nothing really happens throughout the entire novel.
I liked it though

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Are there any books with a loving gay couple in it that will make me feel less cold in the world as a closeted homosexual? I've already read Brideshead Revisited.
I'm just looking for some characters that feel things similar to me that I can relate to.
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>>8901282
>I'm totally not a redpiller who wants another thread on /lit/ to shit on 'degenerates'
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>>8901282
Post boipucci first
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>>8901303
I promise I'm not, although I don't really know how I could prove that to you. I was in a bookshop today looking for books that meet my description, and I was going to get Death in Venice but seeing as (a) I wasn't mad on the prose style and (b) it isn't an actual relationship

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A nutter regurgitating Thoreau is the solution to alienation and the fall of God and authenticity and everything else? Seriously? Is it meant as a joke? A joke on the reader for expecting something more?
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>>8901281
>solution
you're doing it wrong
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>>8901288
That's how it's presented. It's certainly not shown as a "...and everyone is fucked forever and there's nothing you can do about it" situation.
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>>8901281
Gaddis is so much better than that phony fucking transcendentalist hack

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what did you imagine Raskolnikov looking like
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like young Snape in the Harry Potter movies where they did that one scene in the last movie where they showed him getting his shit cucked by Harry's Chad Dad
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Me, because I saw so much of my douchey teenage self in him
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>>8901246
I imagined Raskolnikov as Keaton Henson and Prince Myshkin as Ryan Gosling

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Let's do it, a Poetry General

I'll begin posting "To See a World..." by William Blake.
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

A Robin Redbreast in a Cage
Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
A dove house fill’d with doves and pigeons
Shudders Hell thro’ all its regions.
A Dog starv’d at his Master’s Gate
Predicts the ruin of the State.
A Horse misus’d upon the Road
Calls to Heaven for Human blood.
Each outcry of the hunted Hare
A fiber from the Brain does tear.

He who shall train the Horse to War
Shall never pass the Polar Bar.
The Beggar’s Dog and Widow’s Cat,
Feed them and thou wilt grow fat.
The Gnat that sings his Summer song
Poison gets from Slander’s tongue.
The poison of the Snake and Newt
Is the sweat of Envy’s Foot.

A truth that’s told with bad intent
Beats all the Lies you can invent.
It is right it should be so;
Man was made for Joy and Woe;
And when this we rightly know
Thro’ the World we safely go.

Every Night and every Morn
Some to Misery are Born.
Every Morn and every Night
Some are Born to sweet delight.
Some are Born to sweet delight,
Some are Born to Endless Night.
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This is one of my favourite Baudelaire poems:

Le Squelette laboureur

I

Dans les planches d'anatomie
Qui traînent sur ces quais poudreux
Où maint livre cadavéreux
Dort comme une antique momie,

Dessins auxquels la gravité
Et le savoir d'un vieil artiste,
Bien que le sujet en soit triste,
Ont communiqué la Beauté,

On voit, ce qui rend plus complètes
Ces mystérieuses horreurs,
Bêchant comme des laboureurs,
Des Ecorchés et des Squelettes.

II

De ce terrain que vous fouillez,
Manants résignés et funèbres
De tout l'effort de vos vertèbres,
Ou de vos muscles dépouillés,

Dites, quelle moisson étrange,
Forçats arrachés au charnier,
Tirez-vous, et de quel fermier
Avez-vous à remplir la grange?

Voulez-vous (d'un destin trop dur
Epouvantable et clair emblème!)
Montrer que dans la fosse même
Le sommeil promis n'est pas sûr;

Qu'envers nous le Néant est traître;
Que tout, même la Mort, nous ment,
Et que sempiternellement
Hélas! il nous faudra peut-être

Dans quelque pays inconnu
Ecorcher la terre revêche
Et pousser une lourde bêche
Sous notre pied sanglant et nu?
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I love Emily Dickinson

A bird came down the walk:
He did not know I saw;
He bit an angle-worm in halves
And ate the fellow, raw.

And then he drank a dew
From a convenient grass,
And then hopped sidewise to the wall
To let a beetle pass.

He glanced with rapid eyes
That hurried all abroad,-
They looked like frightened beads, I thought;
He stirred his velvet head

Like one in danger; cautious,
I offered him a crumb,
And he unrolled his feathers
And rowed him softer home

Than oars divide the ocean,
Too silver for a seam,
Or butterflies, off banks of noon,
Leap, splashless, as they swim.
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Berryman, Dream Song 29

There sat down, once, a thing on Henry’s heart
só heavy, if he had a hundred years
& more, & weeping, sleepless, in all them time
Henry could not make good.
Starts again always in Henry’s ears
the little cough somewhere, an odour, a chime.

And there is another thing he has in mind
like a grave Sienese face a thousand years
would fail to blur the still profiled reproach of. Ghastly,
with open eyes, he attends, blind.
All the bells say: too late. This is not for tears;
thinking.

But never did Henry, as he thought he did,
end anyone and hacks her body up
and hide the pieces, where they may be found.
He knows: he went over everyone, & nobody’s missing.
Often he reckons, in the dawn, them up.
Nobody is ever missing.

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I'm looking for a book to brush on my knowledge of central concepts in philosophy as I haven't really read anything for some years apart from some essays on OOO.
So basically a book that introduces the important thoughts in philosophy and gives references for further reading.

inb4 pic related.
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The School of Life on Youtube is a pretty good start desu
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>>8902572
Thanks. I would prefer something that is written so that I can read it when I commute.
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>>8903389
"Sophie's world"

It's a philosophy 101 course badly disguised as an anticlimactic novel.

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