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was /lit/ ever good?


when?

i've been here since 2010.

there was a cool thread where people wrote short poems about birds.....that was good
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That looks cold. I hate when it's cold.
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This thread sure helped improve the overall quality of the board, good job op
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/lit/ was fun for like the first week (before J. D. Salinger died), but then people stopped posting

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Great SFF books of the past Edition.

>/SFFG/ Recommendations:
FANTASY
Selected:
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General:
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Flowchart:
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SCIENCE FICTION
Selected:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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How do you draw the line between competent characters and Mary Sue?
Is it okay for characters to be good at everything without a reasonable amount of character build up or explanation?
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>>9951283
The definition has been warped so much by pop culture that it no longer means anything, so you can't.
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>>9951283
Only if everyone else points out how fucking ridiculous it is some random person is that good without training. Add in some deep character flaws that come up occasionally to screw them over and you're good to go.

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Books men will never understand (pic unrelated)
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>>9951157
>>9951162
men can understand everything, we're much smarter, women only think about chad cock while we're authentic towards art
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>>9951168
>t. illiterate sexist

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Have you read the Bible?

If so, what was your favorite part?

If not, why not?
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Yes.

I didn't really enjoy much of it.
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Friend of mine is a vicar and theologian, and we had a chat where i said I wanted to read the Bible and why. He gave me a KJV and told me it's the one I want to read to understand the canon, but that it's pretty much wrong compared to newer translations. Thoughts on that?
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>Curious about the bible after a lifetime of listening to christkikes
>Open it up and start reading
>Couple pages in and God is trying to circumcise a 100 year old man

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>the reason I'm alone is because I choose to be so, and I innately have anti-social personality traits that I will never be able to reconcile because they are a quintessential part of my character and general mannerisms
>It's better for me to accept this about myself than complain
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Sometimes, falsely, you believe that you have done everything there is to do, and learned everything there is to learn, when the reality is that there is always a way to know more, see more, become stronger, become better.
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>>9951100
That there is something deeply wrong with me, and I'm the second iteration in a line of aloof, intellectual men in my family, the first being my borderline insane uncle, also my closest male figure growing up. I probably shouldn't reproduce nor get involved in the life of any young kid, better to break the cycle while it's possible.
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>>9951100
You're completely wrong, there's tons of stuff that can be done about it and which other similar people have done. Hell, it's /lit/, there are a plethora of books on the subject.
Read Improve Your Social Skills by Daniel Wendler and stop sulking.

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How has reading literature affected you?
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I tried to commit suicide because i was reading too much
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sometimes I dream that I'm reading
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after all these years reading, you know what i realize? ignorance is bliss!

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>making arguments you yourself don't believe for a paper
you guys don't do this, r-right?
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>>9950928
I believe in nothing.
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I'm able to understand both sides of an argument
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>both

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>Homer's poems were writ from a free fury, an absolute and full soul; Virgil's out of a courtly, laborious, and altogether imitatory spirit: not a simile he hath but is Homer's; not an invention, person, or disposition but is wholly or originally built upon Homerical foundations, and in many places hath the very words Homer useth; ... all Homer's books are such as have been precedents ever since of all sorts of poems; imitating none, nor ever worthily imitated of any.

Chapman
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>It is against nature that he made the most excellent creation that could ever be; for things are normally born imperfect, then grow and gather strength as they do so. He took poetry and several other sciences in their infancy and brought them to perfect, accomplished maturity. [Thus] one may call him the first and last of poets, in accordance with that fine tribute left to us by antiquity: that, having had no predecessor to imitate, he had no successor capable of imitating him.

Montaigne
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>The poetry of that simple and ignorant age [Homeric times] was, accordingly, the sweetest and sanest that the world has known; the most faultless in taste, and the most even and lofty in inspiration. Without lacking variety and homeliness, it bathed all things human in the golden light of morning; it clothed sorrow in a kind of majesty, instinct with both self-control and heroic frankness. Nowhere else can we find so noble a rendering of human nature, so spontaneous a delight in life, so uncompromising a dedication to beauty, and such a gift of seeing beauty in everything. Homer, the first of poets, was also the best and the most poetical.

Santayana
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>Our author's work is a wild paradise, where, if we cannot see all the beauties so distinctly as in an ordered garden, it is only because the number of them is infinitely greater. It is like a copious nursery, which contains the seeds and first productions of every kind, out of which those who followed him have but selected some particular plants, each according to his fancy, to cultivate and beautify. If some things are too luxuriant it is owing to the richness of the soil; and if others are not arrived to perfection or maturity, it is only because they are overrun and oppressed by those of a stronger nature.

Pope

>Frankenstein's monster as the free market


your turn
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Vampires are conservatives
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Humbert Humbert as Nabokov
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>>9950613
this one hasn't ended yet

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Hey /lit/, what are your thoughts on plot-holes or inconsistencies in plot? To what extent do they weaken a work?
I presume given the >reading for plot meme that plot consistency is taken by most of this board to be secondary in importance to things like thematic development, prose stylism, etc. I kinda agree, but still there seems something wrong about 100% forgiving a prose stylist for not being able to craft an airtight story.
Any examples of notable plot holes in masterpieces that come to mind?
Pic semi-related. It has all the artistic qualities described above, yet (the version that didn't include the epilogue) was criticized for what audiences viewed as one massive plot hole concerning the ending: without the epilogue, Ishmael appears to die. But then, if everyone's dead, who escaped to tell thee?
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>>9950442
How the fuck is that a plothole though? We know that he didn't die. Therefore we can make the assumption that even though he appears to die at the end, he actually survived. I legitimately don't understand why this is an issue.
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>>9950442
>yes, I am such an understanding open minded appreciator of fine literature, yes, I definitely understand that it is possible that the themes, yes, the themes are most important, how intellectual and understanding of me!
>entertaining the idea of the concept of a plothole in a literary novel whatsoever

kill yourself you stupid pleb, I can see you hiding behind your empty rhetoric
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>>9950463
Could be an unreliable narrator, in which case the plot hole *adds* to the story.

This book, along with Nicholas Nickleby, almost killed my interest in reading. I procrastinated over reading them so much that it took me 6 months to read both of them. And there are still more books by both of them. I can barely stand novels if praising these types of books as enjoyable and interesting is an obligation.
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>>9950424
It's not an obligation. Thanks for sharin your feelings on the matter.
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Grow up
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What's with all these people on lit complaining about reading?
This is a hobby we are supposed to enjoy. There are no obligations.
Go to rk9, or literally anywhere else, for your low self-esteem.

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Teach me extensively about subject, object, and indirect object in grammar.
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im going into my 4th year of English to become a professor and I don't know dick all about grammar
i generally just wing it and nobody complains about grammar in my papers lmao
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The reader is the subject, "me" ((you)) is the indirect object and "subject, object, and indirect object in grammar" is the object.
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>>9950421

I'm learning german so i can't bullshit my way around grammar as much as i can in Engrish.

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GIVE ME YOUR BEST SCIENCE FICTION BOOKS PUBLISHED AFTER THE YEAR 2000
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Military science fiction with heavy science fiction and a realistic but fantastic scope.
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>>9950431
Looks interesting at first glance. The man seems to have upset quite a few people with the politics of it. Might read this.
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>>9950409
Mine look out for a book with "Firepunk" in the name gonna have to wait until 2020 at least though I got other shit to do first

what is the DEEPEST thing you've read? what's the book that made you go: "whoa... really made me think.."
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The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle and The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran tied for tops :) they both mde me think
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the bible
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Anything by Cioran

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how come /lit/ never talks about James Baldwin?
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>>9950264
we're more into dykes than faggots but he comes up a lot despite only being a faggot.
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I read giovannis room and related a lot to the way he spoke about hos father
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Because he's too based (black)

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