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Childhood is when you idolize 4chan. Adulthood is when you realize reading a book makes more sense.
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>>8936856
But books are pc and really restricted a lot of the time.
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>>8936856
t. 4chan
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I'm not sure if I was doing it wrong, but I read a lot of books when I was a kid and nowadays I just browse 4chan.

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What is your process for reading a book in another language? Do you stop when you hit a word you don't know and can't figure out through context or do you simply push forward?

I ask because I've read two books in French over the past few months. Each one was less than 200 pages but they took me about three months each to read because everytime I hit a new word I would stop, look up the definition on a 3 or 4 different dictionaries, and put it on my vocabulary list. I felt I improved my vocabulary greatly by doing this but it's real grind. The next three books I plan to read are over 300 pages each and I'm considering just reading them without constantly looking up the new words I stumble across but I'm worried I won't get as much out of them.
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>>8936853

In Classics there are good vocabulary tools that can generate a list of, say all words in a given author used more than once. I've always found it's best to grind through a few thousand words and know them inside and out rather than going in "blind". I don't know if such resources exist for French. I wouldn't memorize every single word you look up. You can actually remember many words by re-reading what you've already read several times. Eventually you reach a point with a language where you're looking up <50 words for every 30 minutes of reading and at that point you can start memorizing everything you look up but at the start that's probably too many words many of which you might not see again for months or years.
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>>8936853
Depends on your fluency, and depends on the type of book.

The best thing to do (to improve your proficiency) is to stop every time to search the word; or at least to write it down in a text file, then search for the meaning later. But, indeed, it will impede the flow if there are too many unknown words.

In my experience, it's okay to break the flow if it's an essay, less okay with a novel, and not okay at all with a play or a long poem (whose aesthetic effect works on the fact you don't disrupt the flow). So, if you're not fluent enough, read essays rather than poetry. Short aphorisms work well too (La Rochefoucauld, Vauvenargues, La Bruyère, Chamfort, etc.).

Also, consider e-readers with an internal dictionary. You click on the word, the meaning is shown, done.

>disclaimer: I'm French and what I do applies to what I read in English
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>start reading Proust in French
>struggle miserably
>too far in to just quit

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How would you explain and argue, to a man who only plays videogames and studies natural sciences, that art, philosophy and especially literature are important and worth his time?
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>>8936844
Why would you want to enlighten a manchild?
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>>8936931
>"lel those fucking geeks who code with their stupid computers all day, I'm glad that I'm way above them"
>proceeds to browse on 4chan for the rest of the day
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>>8936931
>>8936969
The verb enlighten is a bit too intense. But because I have no need to feel superior, I just want to share interesting stuff with people who are unaware of its existence/worth.

>Go to cozy popular bookstore
>Cuties everywhere
>Go to poetry section
>Everything past the 19th century is pure garbage

What the fuck, my poetry is a trillion times better.

There was literally one book of poetry titled "Metaphysical Dog Poems".

Like jesus christ, literature truly is dead.
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>>8936777
who are you to say what is and is not poetry

haven't you ever read any rupi kaur?
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>implying you're not interested
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>>8936777
>Everything past the 19th century is pure garbage

Probably the worst, most uninformed opinion I've ever seen on this goddamn board

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Are there any contemporary authors who provide the critique of new media (the Internet, smartphones etc.) by following the tradition of McLuhan and Postam? Pic related is red-pilled af.

>Television is the command center in subtler ways as well. Our use of other media, for example, is largely orchestrated by television. Through it we learn what telephone system to use, what movies to see, what books, records and magazines to buy, what radio programmes to listen to. Television arranges our communications environment for us in ways that no other medium has the power to do.

>Television has achieved the status of "meta-medium"–an instrument that directs not only our knowledge of the world, but our knowledge of ways of knowing as well.

Basically, replace 'television' with '4chan' and now you get the definition of my media habits.
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McLuhan and Postman wrote a lot of bullshit but are invaluable in that they teach you to start thinking critically about media itself rather than just what media says.

I haven't come across the new generation of media studies writers who would address things like the internet and smart phones, but I'm sure they must be out there.
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>>8936760
I don't know about anything modern but if you like McLuhan you can go back and read Harold Innis's work. McLuhan said:
>I am pleased to think of my own book The Gutenberg Galaxy as a footnote to the observations of Innis on the subject of the psychic and social consequences, first of writing then of printing.

Innis's Empire and Communications is here:
https://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/innis-empire/innis-empire-00-h.html
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>redpilled

Back to your containment board. Read Baudrillard though.

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I'm 40,000 words into my first novel and wondering if it's worth all the time and effort I'm putting into it. What's your take on writing a first novel without any sort of established relationship with a publisher or presence in the literary world? Am I wasting my time?
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>I'M A WRITER YOU GUYS I WROTE 40,000 WORDS I'M WRITINNNGGGGGG
just fuck off. write your fucking shit or don't, nobody cares either way
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>>8936738
;_; well, okay
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>>8936734
If you're not enjoying yourself and you're seriously expecting to make money, then yes, you're almost certainly wasting your time.

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> a bloo bloo bloo French philosophy is the problem!

No one has set the world as far back or caused as much bloodshed as German """"""""""philosophers""""""""""".
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>>8936711
Very true. French philosophy is the origin of democracy and enlightenment.
Germans are machinators of barbarism
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English philosophy's where it's really at, they did the whole enlightenment deal before the french anyway.
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>>8936740
English enlightenment was a false one, they simply reverted to a new dogmatism

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80 pages in and nothing happened, I'm kinda worried desu
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>>8936680
if you're 80 pages in he killed an old lady and her sister with an axe
>inb4 spoilers
don't lie then
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>>8936688
No he didn't do it yet. I closed the book after he met that drunk adolescent and the guy that was creeping on her in the boulevard.
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He's painting Rodya's inner psyche and the misery of the city for now.
Yeah, the plot is pretty slow in a way, it's proto-stream-of-consciousness.

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Recently started reading this. I'm about 250 pages into it, and I am loving it. I've read everything he has written, except V and Vineland, and this is quickly becoming my favorite. What does /lit/ think?
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>>8936679
I'm retarded.
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>>8936679
i think you should report back when youre done because the book is massive and im afraid of committing to it
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>>8936679
It's my favorite Pynchon book.

any good philosophical texts on the state of the internet right now?
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You know how there's like World War and shit? You think there ever will be Great Internet War? Will it fuel progress like those other wars did?
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>>8936674
The arab spring was originally dubbed the twitter wars by the press. That's because USA and jews used the internet to spark unrest and create revolt.
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>>8936667
No. Why would there be? The Internet changes so rapidly.

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What does /lit/ think of Thomas Hardy?
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I thought his Bane was kind of stupid, but overall great.
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Great writer but I never really understood Bathsheba Everdene. She starts off a strong, shrewd businesswoman, then develops into a weak, fickle cunt. By the end of the book she's pretty much responsible for a man having a breakdown and going to prison but I'm somehow meant to be happy for her in the end. Fuck her.
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>>8936660
He's a big guy.

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Is it important to /know/?
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>>8936590
Now I'd like a glass of bourbon and a smoke. Thanks OP.
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>>8936590
i know that i know nothing.

but actually the love is the answer
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the only important thing to know is where to stop in your knowledge quest. cause it can be infinite.

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hyperion cantos
opinions?
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>>8936569
pretty good. one of the better sci fi series out there

endymion/rise of endymion not as good
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>>8936575
my girl has those lying around, still worth a try?
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haven't read the rise, but the other 3 were really good sci-fi, though hyperion and the fall are absolutely better

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How the FUCK am I supposed to start with the greeks when they're this fucking boring?
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>>8936567
kill all pseuds

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>8936567
>The Greeks are boring
Then go read ASOFAI
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>>8936576
It's ASOIAF
And I already did :^(

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How does /lit/ get their books, specifally digital copies?

I'm a poorfag so I don't have that much disposable income to spend, are there any particular websites you go to for ibooks? Any help would be appreciated.

Pic unrelated.
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>>8936509
If you're reading public domain classics, go to
>gutenberg
>internet archive
>google books

If you're looking for something modern, try an online search for a pdf or something. If you can't find anything you may be out of luck. Scribd gives you a free trial for a little bit, so that may get you access to a few books you want to read.
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Open library
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>>8936509
Library Genesis (libgen.io) is what I use for phone. Most of their files in "Fiction" are mobi, txt, or other mobile files. Download a free reader app from the PlayStore.

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