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His intense hatred toward shakespeare

>>8937636
deep characterization and an obsession with clarity

everything he writes is convincing

how he got that talent, no idea

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>>8937636
He puts character above everything else, even above the explication of his themes.

Which is why it's strange that even W&P and AK Tolstoy has a reputation for being moralizing and didactic

In other character-driven novels, characters are used to represent the strife between ideas. You have an atheist character and a religious character etc. These characters, while they may be well-developed, are secondary to the ideas which have taken over them. But in Tolstoy, we see the strife of ideas played out internally. We see Andrei's disillusionment following his first war experience undergo changes. He becomes cynical, then regains some kind of idealism, then loses it again, and in each case the idealism or the nihilism he comes to in this second instance is not the same one as in the first; this is the element of change inherent in his technique of characterization.

As far as I can see, nobody but Tolstoy is capable of doing this. There's the pyrotechnics of his characterization; you'll have heard the "makes you feel like you know a character in two to three sentences" meme. And that is indeed impressive. But the thing that really marks his technique out as original, and to my mind makes him the single greatest novelist, is that, for a man whose ideas about life are so well documented and forceful in every other aspects, Tolstoy is alone amongst writers in allowing his characters to undergo true and authentic change, independent of what he wants us to glean from his work intellectually.

But if characterization doesn't interest you then there is literally no reason to read him beyond a level of basic familiarity. And that's a perfectly reasonable position to hold. Many people here dislike him immensely and accuse him of writing soap operas (the reason being the only exposure we get in the modern world to serious character-building is soap operas, which is pretty sad), and I do understand that position.

Holy...

i want less

>>8937644
Woah...

What does Kant have to offer?

>>8937492
I don't read anything written by manlets

>>8937499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8ioZkb-Sc

listen and see

Because he loved her so obsessively and so violently that it was inevitable. Also, she would never truly love him back. He's the final representation of her fall from grace and they both know it. Myshkin even calls it towards the start of the book.

I guess it's my own fault, but I've gotten so used to spoiler'd text not containing actual spoilers, that I went ahead and read the OP. Serves me right for lurking other boards than /lit/, but it would be mighty nice if you put up a SPOILER ALERT.

>>8937462

Necrosex.
Not joking, btw.

>>8937422
my side of the mountain

never hear it mentioned. great shit. dude has a falcon and everything.

>2016+1
>Falling for the start with the greeks meme

I seriously hope you don't do this. There's better books out there to read, don't waste your time on shit.

>>8937381

I know it's a meme, but I'm genuinely enjoying them so there's no regret here.

Plus, if reading the classics helps me to more easily recognize allusions in other great works, then all the more benefit to me.

>>8937361
Ultimately all that info is useless, read Max Stirner' s "The ego and its own", you've just began the rabbit hole, it can go deeper. Reading the greeks is like scratching the surface.

>>8937331
are you a gril

>>8937331
>believe

>>8937364
I asked first

>dead old white man
wow thanks no

The Telltale Fart

BRRAAPPPPPPPP

>>8937300
this guy sucks so much ass op

/r/books is the only place

What about real life?

I don't know what's worse, the shitposting here or reddit, which is full of virtue signalling pseuds and people who unironically read YA

Not retarded just really autistic

>>8937254
slightly retarded, yes

>>8937296
>>8937301
t-thanks

>>8937103
yeah thats the point
he's unfalsifiable

>>8937119
is unfalsifiability unfalsifiable?

>>8937131
not an argument

P.S. when I say "at work" I mean at my current day job, not writing.

Who are some of your favorite contemporary poets?

What's your day-job?

>>8936983
The french got rid of freedom to read a little while ago. Some frenchman got 2 years for reading an isis propaganda

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>>8936983
He'd think your idolization of struggle was embarrassing. Dostoevsky was very interested in the connection between the real and the ideal world, aka the ego. To him, people that were 'romantics' and pursued ideals over the real were fools, see Notes, Demons, and The Idiot. Romanticizing struggle and turning it from an every day part of life, whether in the 21st century or prehistoric times, into an ideal to be pursued is to miss the point of Dostoevsky's opinion.

>>8937011
>implying the social justice movement and "progressives" aren't the ones pursuing ideals over the real

Who is the Mike Stoklasa of literature?

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>>8937026
I don't know but have some more Stoklasa

>>8937043
I literally want to be Mike

>>8936896
Remove pinecone
Add woolf

nothing of note happened in the 1700s lmaooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>8936896

Either Catch 22 or Slaughterhouse Five are way better postmodern novels than Gravity's Rainbow, for the simple fact that people in the future aren't gonna want to read a 700 page novel to figure out what postmodernism was all about. What an arrogant legacy.

I'd argue Don Quixiote was the last piece of literature worthy of being remembered- for its being exemplary of a novel- following only The Bible and Hamlet, but this looks like required reading for a literature course or something, so whatever.