Post your drivel, anons. I'll start with mine. I certainly think that mine is a mere rhetorical exercise, but it is perhaps marginally more successful than what I've so far attempted. Perhaps you'll disagree.
Sursum Corcula
Look up, Hermeneuticist! from that yellowing book,
For every man is a darting-eyed crook
Who steals his eyes away from the Light
Of This world (that is, women’s eyes):
Who steels his heart
In necessary flight
From all Fact that too freely flies
From the distillery of art.
Look up! from that sapphirine screen, that idiot’s work,
And look no more for the figurative in the literal’s murk;
Though unrequitedness give pleasure in pity,
Though persiflage
Seem to take the bricks from the prison wall
(And seeming is all);
Though all easy enigmas be founded on Joyce,
Life is not a bricolage:
Despite divers boredoms and cryings,
Ignorings and descryings,
There exists a single and impossible solution
To Humanity;
One must cross the painful waters of Union
And still find a filthy hovel wherein to rejoice.
Though the world have found another man,
And God another woman,
Still thou must needs lose then find then lose
Thyself in the waters’ span:
Banish the wisdom of the Jews!
Banish the Wisdom of the Human!
The sage parts the waters with his death-dimmed hand:
Slowly his body and hand are turned to stone.
The stone remains forever, though there be no Promised Land:
The wind mixes the sound of the gong and the ecstatic groan.
By the way, the title, "Sursum Corcula," I meant to mean, "Uplift your little hearts," but I'm not certain if corculum is the proper dimuitive of cor. If someone who knows the Latin better than I do could confirm or correct me, i would greatly appreciate it.
>>8967079
By the way, I just realized I meant to amend "and" int he last line to "with." But that's a minutia.
one one one
who am I
who are you
touch the sky
kill the dew
who is to know
what we should do
despite we try
to go for you
I can't read
you fucking cunt
get out and go
and smoke a blunt
>>8967107
/lit/ proves itself once again to be constituted only by the choicest connoisseurs.
Hey /lit/, pleb here. What are some entry-level philosophy books? I have began reading pic related, any other suggestions?
>>8966797
not that
In my humble opinion, I don't think there are really entry level philosophy books. The fact that it builds upon itself as time goes on matters, sort of, but not 100%. I'd say at least read some of the Philosophy 101 Greek stuff and then find a philosopher that makes sense to you and read them.
Then you can choose where to go from there. Very rarely will you pick up a philosophy book that doesn't reference some other philosopher (again because of the nature of philosophy) so you can either read what the philosopher you like was referring to and continue the chain, or you can find criticisms of the philosopher by other philosophers and read those instead.
Basically the best way to get into philosophy is to simply read philosophy. Sure, you can sit there and plan your trajectory and be like 'I'm going to read this, and then this and then this'. But all that is doing (again in my opinion) is just limiting yourself to the exposure of new ideas.
So tl;dr if you need a starting point for comfort, start with the Greeks. Otherwise just dive in to someone you sort of agree with (or even disagree with) and go from there.
>>8966797
anthony kenny's history of western philosophy is a good choice. By no means start with Nietzsche without any supplementay material. He's probably the most misunderstood philosopher ever.
Start with the Greeks planning thread.
As the old OP of the original instance of this group, I was disappointed in it overall. I reflected what could be done differently, and I propose these changes in this thread.
>Not starting with Hamilton's mythology, (x) history book
This would be up to the individual reader. Having taught classics for a few years, I have not encountered a student who struggled with the mythology entwined in most classical Greek texts. I will provide the supplementary reading to those who would like it.
>Too fast
I will agree with this one. I was excited to see so many interested that I wanted to get a move on it! We'll slow down this time. We're going to take a week in this thread to discuss thoughts and scheduling for the group.
>What if you get extirpated by snow again/unexpected events again?
I will count on a member to pick up the torch and keep the threads running. As suggested, this wouldn't be a problem in that case
>Autism, trolling, and purely negative criticism. What do?
Perhaps a private chat group will have to do if things get out of hand again. That shit was ridiculous, guys.
>What translation of Iliad?
Most are public domain. Due to being translated, it will not matter much.
>Too many groups, can''t choose one
Greek texts translated pose not as a colossal feat. You can get through them
I hope this goes a lot more smoothly. I understand there were plenty of faults on my own, so here's to a better instance of the group.
Get in here boys. I propose the following order of readings for NOW:
Iliad
Odyssey
Hesiod (Works and Days, Theogony)
Sappho
Aeschylus
Sophocles: Oedipus the King; Oedipus at Colonus; Antigone; Electra; Ajax; Women of Trachis; Philoctetes.
Aristophanes: The Birds, The clouds, The Frogs
...?
I hope to start next week, but we will see as a result of this thread.
Also, I believe we will resume with the romans?
Plato please
>>8966661
When do you propose we start Plato?
Fantasy
Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg
Science Fiction
Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg
NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://i.imgur.com/IJxTQBL.jpg
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>>8966391
Pratchett is dead.
>>8966414
Good. His books were awful.
>>8966414
who?
tfw my mums says she likes my book
>>8966328
haha that's so cute, anon ^_^
>>8966328
she liked my book too when I asked her last night eh anon ;D
>tfw mum cried for two hours when she read my manifesto
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/hell-is-other-britons.html
Whoah, England is this bad and parochial? I would take refuge in literature and philosophy if I was in that environment as well!
>NYT
Fake news! KIKES!
In a nutshell, yes. Venture out of the big towns and cities into the small villages and it becomes a strange world. Most liberal city types don't get why but there's a massive amount of the country who live in their own private bubbles. I was driving around some villages over Christmas and you can go from one extreme to the other in about fifteen minutes.
Also, in terms of literature this type of thing reminds me a lot of Ballard's work around the early 2000s. Books like Cocaine Nights and Millennium People are all about private middle-class people drowning in their own snooty nihilism.
>>8965862
>man who has accomplished nothing in his life writes piece on how he hates his hometown, hates those who have actualized their security, snobbishly projects resentment of his parents who are kind enough to care for his sorry ass onto an entire region of people who have made a comfortable, agreeable place for themselves in the world, parrots campaign hysteria about a recession that failed to materialize, calls other nihilists
W E W
this is gross, he is p much an overgrown angst ridden teen
make me laff boys
Critique thread bitches
R8 if you speak spanish
En español, por si alguien quiere leer. Es el prólogo de la novela que estoy escribiendo. El punto de todo el prólogo es mostrar a Ignacio como un niño pseudointelectual ridículo que no sabe nada de lo que está haciendo. No importa si no lo leen todo, son unas 16 páginas, pero si leen un pequeño pedazo me ayudarían mucho.
Aparte de esto, llevo ya unas 100 páginas de la parte central de la novela.
Aún no he editado la mayor parte (como la conversación con el hombre de la casa abandonada, o la conversación con el Tío Alfonso).
De todos modos, aquí va.
http://pastebin.com/E6D2HkQX
http://pastebin.com/tCYRdCDN
I posted this in both earlier threads and it killed both of them. I'm not sure how to take that
In my chartel, thou must commemorate
The skulls soon tell. How wilst thou prove such hate?
Alas, bones swoon hell, the dust blows through thou soul
And ashes to ashes, a scorch marks deeds of coal
To each of such men of pernicious vice
I beg to hie felts of amorists lies
A dreg of thy helms of victorous tries
To raise your sword and masts of hate today
Seize cries and sharpen thy talons with ease
No man of god, when glad, has hold of creese
What are you currently writing, anon?
"Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self."
- Cyril Connolly
i've taken this advice to heart and i'm writing a full-on mary-sue epic featuring a secret organization of telepaths fighting a network of free-range researchers into fringe science. i'm never going to show it to anyone else.
i wrote a grant proposal that made me want to kill myslf all day
schizophrenia story in 1st person where the writing becomes more and more erratic near the end.
Why did he hate Forms so much?
>>8974022
Because hylomorphism was the better metaphysics
>>8974022
Didn't play with Play d'oh much.
I dunno. I wish we knew more about the day-to-day substance of Aristotle's milieu and what it must have been like to be in the shadow of Plato's academy.
I'm inclined to believe in mystical readings of Plato, that Plato in person and to his closer confidantes was probably openly Plotinian-ish in nature. And we can clearly see from what Aristotle studied, his universal curiosity about all "particular" manifestations of everything, that he would have been the opposite of this sort of interpretation of Plato.
Usually when I picture Plato's thinking, I think of a guy who has a high level of mystical faith that knowledge itself, epistemology, is the arche of ontology, and that we're directly tapped into it as knowing beings. So for him, dialogical clarification of rational truths was necessary to jostle our mind closer and closer to Being. But when I picture Aristotle's thinking, it's more of the empiricist strain where there's a bare minimum sensus communis. I don't doubt that he thought ontology was intelligible or isomorphic to epistemology, but I think he probably intuitively pictured mind as mere potential, and external ontology as needing to be "consumed" in order to be constituted in mind.
Both were realists, but Plato felt that the real would open itself up to you holistically if you continually clarified it. Aristotle's system was messier but also more elegant and grandiose, because for him all the complexity of the world isn't some afterthought (maybe even literally, depending on whether you think Plato prefigured emanationism), it's isomorphic its knowing. Humans are "rational creatures," creatures which can experience, remember, order, and ultimately know reality, but only if they work at it. Ontology is out there, the forms are out there. You don't sit around in a grove with a bunch of stuffy old pricks and clarify reality by chatting.
What does /lit/ thinks of scott westerfield novel Leviathan?
>>8973975
IT'S PURE FUCKING SHIT AND ANYONE THAT READS THIS BOOK IS A FUCKING LIBERAL KEK!
>>8973975
It's shit
Is it as good as Hobbes's Leviathan?
What are you currently reading? How do you like it?
>>8973890
I'd never read a women writer. Their simply inferior
>>8973896
Only one I have read was JK rowling, but it was so long ago and I was a child. It was good as a child but I am afraid if I read it now I will see that it was shit.
In Stahlgewittern (Storm of Steel)
Pretty based.
Can somebody who owns Infinite jest post a pic of page 972 (or 973, maybe both). i got a shitty translation and i wanted to read the original version of my favourite scene in the book
>>8973697
a woman could never write Infinite Jest. No women can understand it either.
>>8973706
if you post that scene here i'll post a pic of my b00bs
you know what? bump. slef bump. i don't give a shit. i bump.
who fills your dfw void
i read jj sullivans pulphead and franzens how to be alone which was good non ficition
any others?
I just watch the Charlie Rose and memeface interviews three times a day.
>>8973618
this
>>8973611
DeLillo who is colder and not as good a storyteller but smarter and more perceptive.
Is this the peak of literature?
of course it's peak
It's just bilingual dick jokes and smug Altherren PoMo wankery, but to know that you*d have to actually read a few pages.
Literature peaked when some German meme-book got translated into English?