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Why didn't the United States develop its own fairy tales/folk tales/mythology? I mean, it sort of did with things like Paul Bunyan and Johnny Appleseed, but there was never any real definitive literature telling their stories. When Walt Disney, an American filmmaker, wanted to make children's films, he looked almost entirely to European literature for fairy tales and fables.
Why is this?
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We have Star Wars and DC / Marvel comics
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Fairy tales are an oral tradition. They can't develop once a good chunk of your population is literate.
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>>8974280
If you take a close look at American "folk" tales, you quickly become aware that they, like the US itself, are manufactured. Everything about US is "inauthentic' in the sense that it is inorganic. Look at what Gish's piece in NYRB did to Carver's reputation overnight.
Paul Bunyan, in its most "folksy" form, starts with a contest against a chainsaw, and its a fable about resisting technology. So is John Henry, who loses an epic battle with a new-fangled steam hammer.
Disney also recycled the "legend" of Davy Crockett, and Daniel Boone was folked up to attract immigrants to Kentucky.
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So what should I read before I read this, really?
>inb4 the western canon
>inb4 it's too much so just read it with a plebby guide
Don't be plebs, /lit/, and tell me what should I actually read before it, specifically.
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You're not going to have any luck reading Finnegans Wake unless you make serious work out of it. Knowing what it's referencing is half the battle. I can't give you the knowledge to make sense of Finnegans Wake unless I already have that knowledge. If you are a serious student of Joyce and want to take the book on either pick up a guide (which is surely equivalent to asking for help online) or do the research yourself.
That said, here are some safe bets for required reading:
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Aeneid
Metamorphoses
Greek and Roman myth in general
Egyptian myth
The Holy Bible
The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
perhaps Ulysses?
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and I guess the implicit question in my post is this:
do you really think anyone on /lit/ has read Finnegans Wake and could therefore be able to help you?
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Vico's New Science, dummy.
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Rereading Stoner for the first time. Some questions have arisen in the process
What is Edith's mental illness? Did Williams write her with a particular mental illness in mind or just "hysteria?"
Are Lomax and Walker gay?
Is the fact that Lomax gets drunk at Stoner's house the real reason he hates him and puts him in a confrontational position?
Also, has anyone else read Augustus or Butcher's Crossing? I really enjoyed Augustus but I like historical fiction like that. Thinking about ordering Butcher's Crossing to finish off his (acknowledged) bibliography.
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>>8974207
Women can't understand this book. They're too simple-minded
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I'm pretty sure she's just a spoiled cunt.
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My opinions:
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How did "The catcher in the rye" by J. D. Salinger influence Chapman in the killing of John Lennon?
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>>8974191
Because like a real phony he couldn't get brotherly sexy time with phoebe.
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>>8974195
do women even like this book
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>>8974195
do women even like this book?
Moving to California tomorrow. Audiobook recommendation thread?
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>>8974178
California has a lot of PoCs, liberals, feminists, sodomites, and degenerate tattoo'd people. Why would you go there? Are you a bluepilled retard? Find a white state
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>>8974185
That's a pretty lengthy audiobook title. Get lost faggot.
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See if you can find East of Eden on audio.
Are The Lord of the Rings books children books? Should I feal bad about reading them as an adult?
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>>8974064
only libcucks and women read shit like that as adults. Real men read Pynchon
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>>8974064
I read the hobbit last Christmas, just as a relaxing, immersing, activity.
Tolkein is good. Feel bad if you are reading some meme shit like A Dog's Purpose
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>>8974064
No, and why would you feel bad about reading a book? Get off 4chan and enjoy life.
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Isn't it about time something literary comes based on video games? There's plenty of /lit/ based on other media like film.
Are video games inherently unliterary?
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>>8974039
>Are video games inherently unliterary?
Probably.
But that does lead to the question, are there any vidya that really have good writing? Best I can think of is TES lore.
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>>8974074
Fallout Lore is pretty well developed. And by Fallout I mean Interplay and Obsidian, not Bethesda.
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>>8974074
No because story and gameplay are like oil and water.
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Friendly Reminder to abandon Academia and obtaining a Literary degree in favour of self-eduction.
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>>8974013
reminder that women are inherently inferior to me
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>>8974017
May you prove that with evidence obtained through your self-educative resources or will you die like the pleb you are?
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>>8974024
>t. butthurt roastwhore who thinks with her feels instead of rationality and logic
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Do people just read the classics - Plato, for example - to feel smart or cultured or as though they're reading something significant? Or is it that even today, thousands of years later, the ideas conveyed by Plato still have something very important to teach us? I see so many pseudointellectuals prioritizing the Greeks, but tell me straight up /lit/: is Plato still even relevant or useful to learn?
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>>8973967
Philosophy is worthless. take the redpill instead
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>>8973967
Why read anything at all?
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>>8973967
Just give up and study accounting or plumbing
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Okay which one should I read first?
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>>8973917
You are aware that we're against women, postmodernism, continental "thought", degenerates, and leftists, right?
Take the redpill, retard. Your big words won't make your feels true. We have science and rationality for that
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Read all of it a critical mind. Doesn't matter where you start.
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was daedalus a message against technology that approached symbols of deism like flight?
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>>8973900
It was meant to symbolize how inferior women are. A woman could never fly close to the sun, because they're not adventurous and they don't try to reach for the stars in the way that white men do
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>>8973910
wat
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>>8973913
it's bait
if u see this while scrolling, u have been visited by nabokov, lover of butterflies
you must read
lolita (easy)
pnin (normal)
ada (difficult
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>>8973832
Switch pnin and Lolita and it makes more sense.
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bump~
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>>8973832
nigger wtf
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Why haven't you read Henrik Ibsen, father of the modern drama?
Ibsen was Joyce's literary hero
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>>8973647
Do you take me for a pleb? I've read lots of Ibsen, and acted in Hedda Gabler.
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>>8973647
i just can't take his facial hair seriously. i'm sorry.
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>>8973647
Only managed to scrounge up A Doll's House at my local book shop so far. Thought it was brilliant.
What's the essential Ibsen?
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Where did Nick Land say that
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In his sleep.
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Ain't that the truth.
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Tomorrow isn't a person
Why would tomorrow know how to do anything?
That's dumb
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Today I've made the decision to quit drinking.
Any books for this feel? Something that I could relate to, to make it a bit easier for me to get through it.
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the aa big book?
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I quit drinking a month and a half ago. I have much more reading time now that I'm lucid at night.
I've been reading the Count of Monte Cristo; it's extremely long and funner than the fourth drink of the night.
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A woman telling a guy to get a hobby is pretty rich. I only met one woman with a hobby, and it was making corsets. (Unless Facebook and Instagram count as hobbies, now.)